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PavePusher

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102. Pistol grips provide a more ergonomic grip, and thus better control and safety.
Sun Jan 8, 2012, 01:38 AM
Jan 2012

Why should they be banned? What is your justification? In what way would they enable/promote crime?

Fuck need, justify yourself.

You'd think we'd have all sorts of new laws by now.... ileus Jan 2012 #1
Loughner was never declared mentally unfit Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2012 #2
"make sure people like Loughner are not left unreported, untreated and/or free to roam." ellisonz Jan 2012 #3
They may be of that opinion, but they're wrong. Loughner went through the NICS to get his guns. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #6
Do you think NICS is effective if it doesn't stop someone like Loughner? n/t ellisonz Jan 2012 #15
Nope. LAGC Jan 2012 #18
The NICS is certainly effective. TheWraith Jan 2012 #118
Dude couldn't get into the military... ellisonz Jan 2012 #155
Different standards for different things We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #160
No system is going to stop everyone. Atypical Liberal Jan 2012 #162
HIPPA Medical Privacy and 4 th Amendment. E6-B Jan 2012 #177
That probably is their opinion gejohnston Jan 2012 #7
Why do you think it's not based in logic or reason? ellisonz Jan 2012 #14
the law did not prevent it gejohnston Jan 2012 #27
Face facts, it wouldn't. PavePusher Jan 2012 #10
You think they don't know that? ellisonz Jan 2012 #13
Gosh, you do know how to miss a point. PavePusher Jan 2012 #16
Your snark aside... ellisonz Jan 2012 #22
No, because a "police interview" is not a judicial or medical decision. PavePusher Jan 2012 #30
He supports the Patriot Act, too. X_Digger Jan 2012 #32
And you oppose the types of firearms regulations... ellisonz Jan 2012 #35
I'll listen to the pleadings of victims, up to a point. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #39
Then stop your act and listen to these ones. Do something for them... ellisonz Jan 2012 #41
Why don't *you* listen to the father of one of the victims, John Green? friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #45
That's from 2 days after the shooting. He practically breaks down crying on the phone ellisonz Jan 2012 #46
So some special pleading is more relevant than other special pleading? friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #56
***and crickets *** Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #63
***really*** ellisonz Jan 2012 #75
If you can't see how that's different... ellisonz Jan 2012 #76
I refer you to the video linked to in post #68 friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #78
Whatever you say dude... ellisonz Jan 2012 #81
Work that genetic fallacy. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #84
John Green seems a decent sort: friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #83
Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #52
You picked the wrong batch of victims, for the legislation you referred to. AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #115
"and approve of armed protection for officials but not for Citizens." ellisonz Jan 2012 #37
" If you wish to claim, I approve of a so-called "police state" then you clearly approve of... PavePusher Jan 2012 #58
I guess the USA Today editorial board is shameful too... ellisonz Jan 2012 #79
Yep, they are flaming idiots off on the wrong trail. PavePusher Jan 2012 #103
Well, they at least made an error. AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #114
Defining "high capacity" as "anything over 10 rounds" is very intentionally misleading. benEzra Jan 2012 #121
10 round limit and Gabby is still shot in the head with 1st shot E6-B Jan 2012 #179
10 round limit and Gabby is still shot in the head with 1st shot E6-B Jan 2012 #180
This message was self-deleted by its author Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #61
The flaw in the system one-eyed fat man Jan 2012 #23
I've said before and I'll say it again... ellisonz Jan 2012 #25
So police have medical training and can diagnose mental illness? hack89 Jan 2012 #26
Obviously, some training would need to be done... ellisonz Jan 2012 #29
And how would you "train away" malfeasance and misfeasance? friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #33
Better than the anarchy we have now... ellisonz Jan 2012 #34
You refuse to look at evidence offered, but claim I "have no reasonable objection" friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #36
Fear-mongering. And yes, we know you don't care about "the children" ellisonz Jan 2012 #40
"Is it any wonder that Chicago attempts desperate measures when all allowed else fails?" friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #44
Chicago is not an island. ellisonz Jan 2012 #47
Looks like Chicago should have adopted Texas-style gun control years ago friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #55
Neither is El Paso, TX GreenStormCloud Jan 2012 #73
So you won't hold his momma responsible? one-eyed fat man Jan 2012 #49
How does one "hold his momma responsible?" ellisonz Jan 2012 #53
You keep saying the "system" failed. one-eyed fat man Jan 2012 #66
So the parents should face criminal charges? ellisonz Jan 2012 #88
That's interesting one-eyed fat man Jan 2012 #101
The second paragraph is the key question to control oriented people DonP Jan 2012 #123
He was living under their roof. AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #112
He was a recluse. ellisonz Jan 2012 #138
We shall see. AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #141
"Recluse my ass." ellisonz Jan 2012 #143
I do have experience with the mentally ill. AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #144
And our gun control system failed to stop him... ellisonz Jan 2012 #147
The parents are the reason Loughner wasn't denied the purchase of a firearm. AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #148
I also find it highly interesting that you seem totally unaware that AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #146
Petard, own, hoisted with, one each. n/t PavePusher Jan 2012 #127
Gibberish. n/t ellisonz Jan 2012 #140
Klebold and Harris as well. AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #113
I guarantee that gun-control advocates wouldn't be satisfied with that. benEzra Jan 2012 #122
Yup -- the slippery slope is very real. Straw Man Jan 2012 #156
"I don't like your attitude, boy -- no gun for you!" ellisonz Jan 2012 #192
I'm sorry -- what's your question? Straw Man Jan 2012 #200
Where have I demonized you? ellisonz Jan 2012 #182
Here's how the gun control lobby likes to portray people like me, benEzra Jan 2012 #186
Do you think it should be easy to get a CCW? ellisonz Jan 2012 #191
Yes, no, and yes. benEzra Jan 2012 #193
"Your choices obviously differ from mine, and I respect them." ellisonz Jan 2012 #194
statistically gejohnston Jan 2012 #195
Here just to prove you wrong one-eyed fat man Jan 2012 #203
It may surprise you to learn this... We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #204
Yeah...shit kinda fell apart in the 60s and 70s... ellisonz Jan 2012 #207
Spoken truly like someone who obviously knows nothing about the time n/t We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #209
It is lower because...... E6-B Jan 2012 #181
Problem with your reasoning, here... SteveW Jan 2012 #128
Should they carry guns? I would. Atypical Liberal Jan 2012 #163
You mean Loughner the Democrat volunteer for Gabrensky? oneshooter Jan 2012 #90
Run his parents into jail as an example for others. AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #116
This message was self-deleted by its author friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #4
This bill would be... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #5
Have YOU read this bill? X_Digger Jan 2012 #8
"...as the Attorney General may require..." Pheww. There goes the 5th. As usual. nt SteveW Jan 2012 #129
I don't want to divert your thread iverglas Jan 2012 #9
I've no doubt of Prof. Nowak's sincerity, but his proposals will fare as well as... friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #12
maybe you need to actually read iverglas Jan 2012 #17
I think you mangled something there, Rocketfingers. petronius Jan 2012 #20
overlooking that, I appreciated the info and the links Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #31
wowsers iverglas Jan 2012 #60
Yeah, whatever happened to "dog food?" nt SteveW Jan 2012 #130
More a cynicism about how the world actually works. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #21
Better cynicism than irrationality... ellisonz Jan 2012 #24
After a quick read of Bill S 436... spin Jan 2012 #11
How would this new bill have stopped loughner, he went thru the background checks. rl6214 Jan 2012 #19
BRAVO fightthegoodfightnow Jan 2012 #28
the good, the bad, and the ugly aikoaiko Jan 2012 #38
You think this should be... ellisonz Jan 2012 #42
You may not realize this but all laws are political negotiations. aikoaiko Jan 2012 #43
I don't see how you view this as a "loss of liberty" for gun-owners. ellisonz Jan 2012 #48
and you are not? gejohnston Jan 2012 #51
Yeah, I wouldn't answer that question either... ellisonz Jan 2012 #54
Nice dodge of the question. ManiacJoe Jan 2012 #57
See above. The question was... ellisonz Jan 2012 #85
Actually gejohnston Jan 2012 #65
Only cares about money? A LOT of NRA backed legislation was passed last year. GreenStormCloud Jan 2012 #71
Yeah effective for the most extreme views of gun owners... ellisonz Jan 2012 #82
Yes. Your side is losing, My side is winning. N/T GreenStormCloud Jan 2012 #104
Good thing your side is majority Republican. n/t ellisonz Jan 2012 #133
No, that part is sad. GreenStormCloud Jan 2012 #153
This is the old "both sides do it" BS. DanTex Jan 2012 #59
Oh really? beevul Jan 2012 #67
LOL! You couldn't even make it through the first example without fabricating a quote! DanTex Jan 2012 #119
"not suited for hunting or personal protection" gejohnston Jan 2012 #125
Explain how it would be any different. beevul Jan 2012 #149
Actually, he was specifically talking about a Glock with a 30-round magazine. DanTex Jan 2012 #152
More obfuscation. beevul Jan 2012 #154
more Paul Helmke lies gejohnston Jan 2012 #92
when was this and how did he come to that number? gejohnston Jan 2012 #93
That's it? Whining because the data is a few years old? DanTex Jan 2012 #120
it is still dishonest gejohnston Jan 2012 #124
Suicides are 'gun violence'? Who knew! Are suicides by hanging 'rope violence'? AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #110
Your failure to recognize the loss of liberty in most gun control laws is why you've been failing. aikoaiko Jan 2012 #62
What about the loss of liberties of the victims? ellisonz Jan 2012 #77
Yeah, those evil gunmakers undermined it by obeying it... friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #80
I'll explain it to you. aikoaiko Jan 2012 #86
You're against the full auto ban... ellisonz Jan 2012 #87
And the "need" canard pops up again... friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #89
Just enables you to fire from the hip... ellisonz Jan 2012 #91
Thank you, you've confirmed your ignorance of ergonomics. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #94
You can find dozens of youtube videos of people firing quite easily... ellisonz Jan 2012 #136
You can do it.... PavePusher Jan 2012 #142
"After concealment"? Do people often conceal rifles in your area? friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #145
Oh for fuck's sake We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #157
Now your ignorance is showing. ManiacJoe Jan 2012 #95
Don't mean to freak you out, but new short barreled shotguns are already legal. aikoaiko Jan 2012 #98
Why shouldn't they? Why shouldn't I be able to own something just because Pacafishmate Jan 2012 #99
Wrong as usual. AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #108
I have no desire to fire a gun. ellisonz Jan 2012 #134
Show me one of them HITTING something. AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #135
When you're firing into a crowd... ellisonz Jan 2012 #137
Which of course, assumes a fully automatic weapon. AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #139
Learn everything you know about guns from "A-Team" reruns? one-eyed fat man Jan 2012 #205
Oddly enough, a traditional stock is better suited for hip firing... beevul Jan 2012 #151
Let me get this straight.... We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #158
Well then I expect to hear from you... ellisonz Jan 2012 #164
You can expect whatever you want. We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #165
Then you should run for Senate... ellisonz Jan 2012 #167
Why? We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #171
what about the Republicans that voted for it gejohnston Jan 2012 #166
The Dems probably wanted a better written bill... ellisonz Jan 2012 #168
there was no slithering gejohnston Jan 2012 #170
Slithering around it? We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #172
"selling you shit you don't need".... PavePusher Jan 2012 #188
"shoulder thing that goes up" - That is the general level of knowledge.... PavePusher Jan 2012 #187
If you shot from the hip you would know..... E6-B Jan 2012 #185
More corrections about "firing from the hip," including guns... SteveW Jan 2012 #131
Totally Wrong DragonBorn Jan 2012 #159
The issue is concealment. n/t ellisonz Jan 2012 #169
Concealment? OF a RIFLE? We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #173
It's called a trench coat. Willful denial on your part...just admit - it's shortened in many models. ellisonz Jan 2012 #174
however gejohnston Jan 2012 #175
I'm aware of a trench coat We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #202
You keep responding... ellisonz Jan 2012 #206
I respond in the hopes... We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #210
That post is funny E6-B Jan 2012 #201
+1 Simo 1939_1940 Jan 2012 #212
Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #189
When I read this "firing from the hip" nonsense Simo 1939_1940 Jan 2012 #176
This is why you and those like you have been failing lately. aikoaiko Jan 2012 #96
They really don't mean "compromise" do they? DonP Jan 2012 #100
"They think they are on the moral high ground and see Simo 1939_1940 Jan 2012 #213
ummmmm gejohnston Jan 2012 #97
Pistol grips provide a more ergonomic grip, and thus better control and safety. PavePusher Jan 2012 #102
The U.S. does not have a Department of Needs. GreenStormCloud Jan 2012 #105
If you could care less, that means you care a lot. AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #109
AWB is a solution to non-existent problem, like bayonet attacks. E6-B Jan 2012 #178
When you spout off nonsense calling for a safety feature to be banned, you are not protecting the ri AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #111
He says that he has never fired a firearm, and dosen't want to. oneshooter Jan 2012 #150
What you call sell out I call a good job done. E6-B Jan 2012 #183
Someone has to pay Wayne LaPierre's $900,000 dollar salary... ellisonz Jan 2012 #196
That's less than $0.25 per NRA member. Paul Helmke costs about $5 per BC member.... friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #197
Million Dollar Man... ellisonz Jan 2012 #198
I don't know, ask an NRA member. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #199
So what? We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #211
MAG is a lazy organization.. pipoman Jan 2012 #50
do you mean MAIG? Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #64
No, I really mean MAG.. pipoman Jan 2012 #69
aha. got it. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #70
To be more pipoman Jan 2012 #74
I prefer IMAG given the number of them under indictment or in jail. AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #107
I like it.. pipoman Jan 2012 #117
Or simply MG. As in Mayor's Guns. nt SteveW Jan 2012 #132
Luby's mass shooting survivor aids pro-gun rights. GreenStormCloud Jan 2012 #68
Shame on you! Don't you know that's the *wrong* kind of victim testimony? friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #72
This bill would have done nothing for the people in Tuscon. AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #106
The problem with this approach: SteveW Jan 2012 #126
I do not support this bill because it destroys firearm ownership anonymity. Atypical Liberal Jan 2012 #161
When ever I see crap like this, I buy another gun. E6-B Jan 2012 #184
"I got food poisoning from spinach, so I want to ban apples." PavePusher Jan 2012 #190
Oh so wiser one than so many others... ellisonz Jan 2012 #208
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