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In reply to the discussion: Ohio: Buckeyes for Concealed Carry President Uses Handgun to Defend Family [View all]spin
(17,493 posts)75. I can see some points we agree on. ...
For example I do firmly believe that we can improve the current gun laws in our nation in order to make them more effective.
I largely agree with Obama's position on this which he posted in an op-ed in the Arizona Daily Star.
President Obama: We must seek agreement on gun reforms
March 13, 2011 12:00 am President Barack Obama Special To The Arizona Daily Star
***snip***
First, we should begin by enforcing laws that are already on the books. The National Instant Criminal Background Check System is the filter that's supposed to stop the wrong people from getting their hands on a gun. Bipartisan legislation four years ago was supposed to strengthen this system, but it hasn't been properly implemented. It relies on data supplied by states - but that data is often incomplete and inadequate. We must do better.
Second, we should in fact reward the states that provide the best data - and therefore do the most to protect our citizens.
Third, we should make the system faster and nimbler. We should provide an instant, accurate, comprehensive and consistent system for background checks to sellers who want to do the right thing, and make sure that criminals can't escape it.
Porous background checks are bad for police officers, for law-abiding citizens and for the sellers themselves. If we're serious about keeping guns away from someone who's made up his mind to kill, then we can't allow a situation where a responsible seller denies him a weapon at one store, but he effortlessly buys the same gun someplace else.
http://azstarnet.com/news/opinion/mailbag/president-obama-we-must-seek-agreement-on-gun-reforms/article_011e7118-8951-5206-a878-39bfbc9dc89d.html
I would go even further.
1) I favor expanding the NICA background check to ALL firearm sales including private sales between individuals.
2) We need to better enforce our laws and increase the legal penalties for to detect, prosecute and punish those carry ILLEGAL firearms in public.
3) Obviously the illegal sale of firearms in our nation is a problem. It would be wise to spend the necessary money to combat this activity by financing better law enforcement and also to increase the penalties for anyone involved in smuggling firearms to the inner streets of our nation or to other countries.
4) We do need to improve our mental healthcare system in our nation. The majority of the mass murders in our nation were caused by people with serious mental issues. Often these shooters have waved red flags before they ran amok but unfortunately all the warning signs were ignored.
5) We lost our War on Drugs decades ago. Perhaps we need to consider the legalization of some drugs to reduce the profit motive for the Mexican Drug Cartels. The Prohibition of Alcohol led to the development of organized crime and was also a total failure. We should try to learn from history. A high percentage of the gun violence in our nation is caused by drug gangs fighting over turf.
6) Anyone who owns a gun or buys ammo for one should have some basic safety training for firearms. Scuba divers have to have a certification card before a dive shop will fill their tanks. Perhaps anyone who purchases a firearm or buys ammo should have a similar card.
These are a few ideas which strike me as commonsense and might be possible to implement with a lot of effort. Obviously the NRA would strongly oppose most if not all.
I have no serious problem with licensing all gun owners but I would wish that anyone who was licensed would have the right to carry a concealed handgun. I believe that my idea of a certification card prior to purchasing firearms or ammunition be a lower level permit and might be somewhat easier to pass into law. Either plan would prove a challenging task to pass and most likely would fail.
I feel that the federal registration of all firearms is not only politically impossible but also a foolish "feel good" law that not only would be expensive to run but would accomplish little.
When I critique the gun control debate I believe that those who favor much strong gun control remind me of Don Quixote tilting at windmills. You have lofty and admirable goals but reality is a bitch. Of course those who strongly favor gun rights are extremely stubborn and totally unwilling to compromise. You make the task of those who support gun rights far easily because you aim too high. Pursuing more reasonable laws or improving on existing ones would strongly appeal to the general public and even gun owners.
I feel that if your side would fight to improve existing laws and try to implement ideas such as I have suggested you would find this to be far more feasible than trying to implement another assault weapons ban or to require the federal registration of all firearms.
If both sides on the debate could find some common ground we might make headway on future reducing gun violence in our nation. Of course this does involve compromise which is a lost art in our nation.
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Ohio: Buckeyes for Concealed Carry President Uses Handgun to Defend Family [View all]
rDigital
Sep 2012
OP
This sounds like a made up story- why would a white man call another white man "white honky"?
kimbutgar
Sep 2012
#1
Do you have another source for this besides "Students for Concealed Carry - Ohio"?
SecularMotion
Sep 2012
#3
I'm sure there's a police report. We can make that your responsibility to go and fetch it.
rDigital
Sep 2012
#8
Funny how he'll post anti gun articles from the VPC, Huffington Post, or the Brady org.
glacierbay
Sep 2012
#15
Make sure you keep all these posts in mind the next time you consider calling a gun owner...
Clames
Sep 2012
#22
The story sounds suspicious, not the gun owner. I too own a handgun, but the story sounds made up.
bluecoat_fan
Sep 2012
#83
It seems to me that this is the first statistical study you have ever seen in your life.
DanTex
Sep 2012
#43
LOL. With the way you take things out of context, you ought to work for the Romney campaign.
DanTex
Sep 2012
#86
Why, are you his recruiter? No thanks I'll stick with Obama, but my condolences on your desperate,
TPaine7
Sep 2012
#88
Maybe Ron Paul is more your speed -- one of those "it's unconstitutional" wackos you seem to like.
DanTex
Sep 2012
#89
Until you showed up to try and settle some old scores, this was, in fact, a discussion about a
DanTex
Sep 2012
#92
Let me guess, the Brady campaign is the only sufficiently unbiased source of information
4th law of robotics
Sep 2012
#33
If you must ignore the FBI's studies on this then I think we have nothing to discuss
4th law of robotics
Sep 2012
#53
Excellent. Do you acknowledge that while it was dropping total guns owned
4th law of robotics
Sep 2012
#59
LOL. Ignoring me again. I guess when you have no evidence on your side, that's the only play!
DanTex
Sep 2012
#64
Yeah, that guy tends to make a lot of noise and then hide when evidence is presented.
DanTex
Sep 2012
#128
LOL. The "creationist" charge by the guy who's intent on ignoring the scientific evidence.
DanTex
Sep 2012
#131
Still dodging. Whatever you do, make sure you don't try and make a substantive point!
DanTex
Sep 2012
#180
Still dodging! Proxy variables, peer reviewed studies. Any of that ring a bell?
DanTex
Sep 2012
#188
"Peer Reviewed" garbage is still garbage. Everyone has an axe to grind, especially those in your
rDigital
Sep 2012
#84
I deny your brand of opinion-based science. I quite enjoy the fact-based science though.
Clames
Sep 2012
#119
Those with a fear of instruments have more of a theological view on gun control than logical.
rDigital
Sep 2012
#122
Funny you bring up "theological view" when you are the one denying the empirical evidence.
DanTex
Sep 2012
#124
Well that's just like your opinion, man. You're peer-reviewed tripe is "peer reviewed" by people
rDigital
Sep 2012
#126
So many characters to say so little. Ignore the inconvenient truths, keep your head in the sand.
rDigital
Sep 2012
#144
Because keeping people from killing themselves is really a possibility and by extension a valid
rDigital
Sep 2012
#146
I'm not arguing with the numbers of that site. I'm saying that suicide isn't a valid gun control
rDigital
Sep 2012
#148
Yes, and the assault rates are similar to ours. Not nearly as far out of line as homicide.
DanTex
Sep 2012
#190
Don't know about gun robberies in Canada. I've seen 40% for the percent of Canada's murders by gun
DanTex
Sep 2012
#195
I don't know if it actually made the news. The link in the OP is to Buckeyes for Concealed Carry.
DanTex
Sep 2012
#70
They are at the link in the OP. I include them as they answer questions raised on this thread:
friendly_iconoclast
Sep 2012
#103