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In reply to the discussion: Ohio: Buckeyes for Concealed Carry President Uses Handgun to Defend Family [View all]Clames
(2,038 posts)119. I deny your brand of opinion-based science. I quite enjoy the fact-based science though.
Now that ignorant piece of sidebar is out of the way...
I'm not sure what you are talking about. The Hemenway study is a survey, and as such it uses a lot of different sources of information and draws from a lot of different studies. Without being specific, I have no idea which part of the study.
Of course you have no idea, you didn't read it. Did you even bother to read those sources? It didn't occur to you that he selected data from 1992-2001 for a study written in 2011? Why not use all the available data? Why not 1992-2001 then 2002-2010 and compare the results? Did you not see he cited himself about half a dozen times? How many times was his fellow anti-gun shill Kellermann cited? Kellermann studies that were thoroughly debunked and rightfully criticized for cherry-picked data. A framework of crap build upon a foundation of garbage. Something tells me you didn't even glance at the listed citation.
First of all, the author doesn't state anything with certainty.
Tying into the "DanTex doesn't read what he posts" theme, when the author states:
"Home guns were 4 times more likely to be involved in an accident, 7 times more likely to be used in a criminal assault or homicide, and 11 times more likely to be used in an attempted or completed suicide than to be used to injure or kill in self-defense."
...then it is obvious he is fairly certain of something. Now, how he can justify 4x, 7x, and 11x in terms of probability over his self-admitted fact that DGU figures are extremely difficult to pinpoint is beyond anyone with a rational mind. Not so much beyond those who likewise pull their "facts" out of their posteriors though.
Once again, the anti-gun brigade prove their ineptitude by rallying around a study authored by a fellow anti-gun nut that uses unreliable data to come to a predetermined "conclusion". Integrity doesn't inconvenience such a group to be certain...
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Ohio: Buckeyes for Concealed Carry President Uses Handgun to Defend Family [View all]
rDigital
Sep 2012
OP
This sounds like a made up story- why would a white man call another white man "white honky"?
kimbutgar
Sep 2012
#1
Do you have another source for this besides "Students for Concealed Carry - Ohio"?
SecularMotion
Sep 2012
#3
I'm sure there's a police report. We can make that your responsibility to go and fetch it.
rDigital
Sep 2012
#8
Funny how he'll post anti gun articles from the VPC, Huffington Post, or the Brady org.
glacierbay
Sep 2012
#15
Make sure you keep all these posts in mind the next time you consider calling a gun owner...
Clames
Sep 2012
#22
The story sounds suspicious, not the gun owner. I too own a handgun, but the story sounds made up.
bluecoat_fan
Sep 2012
#83
It seems to me that this is the first statistical study you have ever seen in your life.
DanTex
Sep 2012
#43
LOL. With the way you take things out of context, you ought to work for the Romney campaign.
DanTex
Sep 2012
#86
Why, are you his recruiter? No thanks I'll stick with Obama, but my condolences on your desperate,
TPaine7
Sep 2012
#88
Maybe Ron Paul is more your speed -- one of those "it's unconstitutional" wackos you seem to like.
DanTex
Sep 2012
#89
Until you showed up to try and settle some old scores, this was, in fact, a discussion about a
DanTex
Sep 2012
#92
Let me guess, the Brady campaign is the only sufficiently unbiased source of information
4th law of robotics
Sep 2012
#33
If you must ignore the FBI's studies on this then I think we have nothing to discuss
4th law of robotics
Sep 2012
#53
Excellent. Do you acknowledge that while it was dropping total guns owned
4th law of robotics
Sep 2012
#59
LOL. Ignoring me again. I guess when you have no evidence on your side, that's the only play!
DanTex
Sep 2012
#64
Yeah, that guy tends to make a lot of noise and then hide when evidence is presented.
DanTex
Sep 2012
#128
LOL. The "creationist" charge by the guy who's intent on ignoring the scientific evidence.
DanTex
Sep 2012
#131
Still dodging. Whatever you do, make sure you don't try and make a substantive point!
DanTex
Sep 2012
#180
Still dodging! Proxy variables, peer reviewed studies. Any of that ring a bell?
DanTex
Sep 2012
#188
"Peer Reviewed" garbage is still garbage. Everyone has an axe to grind, especially those in your
rDigital
Sep 2012
#84
I deny your brand of opinion-based science. I quite enjoy the fact-based science though.
Clames
Sep 2012
#119
Those with a fear of instruments have more of a theological view on gun control than logical.
rDigital
Sep 2012
#122
Funny you bring up "theological view" when you are the one denying the empirical evidence.
DanTex
Sep 2012
#124
Well that's just like your opinion, man. You're peer-reviewed tripe is "peer reviewed" by people
rDigital
Sep 2012
#126
So many characters to say so little. Ignore the inconvenient truths, keep your head in the sand.
rDigital
Sep 2012
#144
Because keeping people from killing themselves is really a possibility and by extension a valid
rDigital
Sep 2012
#146
I'm not arguing with the numbers of that site. I'm saying that suicide isn't a valid gun control
rDigital
Sep 2012
#148
Yes, and the assault rates are similar to ours. Not nearly as far out of line as homicide.
DanTex
Sep 2012
#190
Don't know about gun robberies in Canada. I've seen 40% for the percent of Canada's murders by gun
DanTex
Sep 2012
#195
I don't know if it actually made the news. The link in the OP is to Buckeyes for Concealed Carry.
DanTex
Sep 2012
#70
They are at the link in the OP. I include them as they answer questions raised on this thread:
friendly_iconoclast
Sep 2012
#103