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In reply to the discussion: Ohio: Buckeyes for Concealed Carry President Uses Handgun to Defend Family [View all]DanTex
(20,709 posts)152. Hey, you said "uneducated oaf", not me. But since you mention...
Basically, every country that has a higher murder rate than we do also has stricter laws. If you compare income inequality, we are closer to Mexico and Russia to any of the other countries. We do know that after Canada passed their 1977 law, and Australia passed their 1987 law, the murder and suicide rate did not change. Australia's murder rate was already dropping, but did not drop any sharper. While gun suicide rates dropped slightly, the suicide rate did not.
If you really think that Mexico and Russia are better points of comparison that Canada and Western Europe, then you are entirely ignorant of what goes on outside this country. Plain and simple. I think that even you would laugh if a right-winger tried to claim that single-payer healthcare was bad because Mexico and Russia have much worse healthcare statistics than the US does. The fact that the NRA bubblers keep bringing up these preposterous comparisons is as a good a sign as any that they don't really care about any kind of honest analysis of the data, and are just trying to pick anything they can to support their political views.
As to the rest, I've already posted plenty of statistical and scientific evidence regarding both suicide and homicide rates, which has been ignored by several NRA bots, so whatever anecdotal or cherry-picked data you have is not going to impress me very much. Again, it's the NRA versus the scientific community.
And US has higher murder rates because of cultural and historical reasons.
As usual, you have no evidence to back what you are claiming. The NRA talking point that the US is a uniquely violent country is a myth. Our overall crime rates are in line with Western Europe and Canada etc. It's just homicide where we are about 4X worse. If the "violent history of repression" were the real reason, then it would show up as higher rates of violent crime across the board. Combined with the rest of the evidence linking guns to homicide rate, it is clear that guns are a major reason for the homicide differential.
And no, if Japan had gun laws like Vermont, their suicide and murder rates would not change.
Again, the evidence is not on your side. You can, of course, simply assert that the moon is made of plastic if you want, but there is extensive scientific evidence that you are ignoring here.
It kind of reminds me of a high school locker room
Come to think of it, I haven't really encountered ignorance like you find in the gungeon since high school at least. I don't think anyone I knew in college would be dumb enough to think that Mexico and Russia were more appropriate comparisons to the US than Canada and Western Europe.
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Ohio: Buckeyes for Concealed Carry President Uses Handgun to Defend Family [View all]
rDigital
Sep 2012
OP
This sounds like a made up story- why would a white man call another white man "white honky"?
kimbutgar
Sep 2012
#1
Do you have another source for this besides "Students for Concealed Carry - Ohio"?
SecularMotion
Sep 2012
#3
I'm sure there's a police report. We can make that your responsibility to go and fetch it.
rDigital
Sep 2012
#8
Funny how he'll post anti gun articles from the VPC, Huffington Post, or the Brady org.
glacierbay
Sep 2012
#15
Make sure you keep all these posts in mind the next time you consider calling a gun owner...
Clames
Sep 2012
#22
The story sounds suspicious, not the gun owner. I too own a handgun, but the story sounds made up.
bluecoat_fan
Sep 2012
#83
It seems to me that this is the first statistical study you have ever seen in your life.
DanTex
Sep 2012
#43
LOL. With the way you take things out of context, you ought to work for the Romney campaign.
DanTex
Sep 2012
#86
Why, are you his recruiter? No thanks I'll stick with Obama, but my condolences on your desperate,
TPaine7
Sep 2012
#88
Maybe Ron Paul is more your speed -- one of those "it's unconstitutional" wackos you seem to like.
DanTex
Sep 2012
#89
Until you showed up to try and settle some old scores, this was, in fact, a discussion about a
DanTex
Sep 2012
#92
Let me guess, the Brady campaign is the only sufficiently unbiased source of information
4th law of robotics
Sep 2012
#33
If you must ignore the FBI's studies on this then I think we have nothing to discuss
4th law of robotics
Sep 2012
#53
Excellent. Do you acknowledge that while it was dropping total guns owned
4th law of robotics
Sep 2012
#59
LOL. Ignoring me again. I guess when you have no evidence on your side, that's the only play!
DanTex
Sep 2012
#64
Yeah, that guy tends to make a lot of noise and then hide when evidence is presented.
DanTex
Sep 2012
#128
LOL. The "creationist" charge by the guy who's intent on ignoring the scientific evidence.
DanTex
Sep 2012
#131
Still dodging. Whatever you do, make sure you don't try and make a substantive point!
DanTex
Sep 2012
#180
Still dodging! Proxy variables, peer reviewed studies. Any of that ring a bell?
DanTex
Sep 2012
#188
"Peer Reviewed" garbage is still garbage. Everyone has an axe to grind, especially those in your
rDigital
Sep 2012
#84
I deny your brand of opinion-based science. I quite enjoy the fact-based science though.
Clames
Sep 2012
#119
Those with a fear of instruments have more of a theological view on gun control than logical.
rDigital
Sep 2012
#122
Funny you bring up "theological view" when you are the one denying the empirical evidence.
DanTex
Sep 2012
#124
Well that's just like your opinion, man. You're peer-reviewed tripe is "peer reviewed" by people
rDigital
Sep 2012
#126
So many characters to say so little. Ignore the inconvenient truths, keep your head in the sand.
rDigital
Sep 2012
#144
Because keeping people from killing themselves is really a possibility and by extension a valid
rDigital
Sep 2012
#146
I'm not arguing with the numbers of that site. I'm saying that suicide isn't a valid gun control
rDigital
Sep 2012
#148
Yes, and the assault rates are similar to ours. Not nearly as far out of line as homicide.
DanTex
Sep 2012
#190
Don't know about gun robberies in Canada. I've seen 40% for the percent of Canada's murders by gun
DanTex
Sep 2012
#195
I don't know if it actually made the news. The link in the OP is to Buckeyes for Concealed Carry.
DanTex
Sep 2012
#70
They are at the link in the OP. I include them as they answer questions raised on this thread:
friendly_iconoclast
Sep 2012
#103