Gun Control & RKBA

trouble.smith

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109. please. The English were pioneers in the Atlantic slave trade befire TJ was even born.

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 12:40 PM

Oct 2012

Any slaves that he owned were likely brought over by English slavers. Thomas Jefferson gave the world freedom, democracy, and hope. He is redeemed. What did your forefathers do to redeem themselves for the atrocities they committed in this land and others?

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Is RKBA an Individual Right? [View all] DWC Oct 2012 OP

I either have a safe full of legally owned firearms...or I don't. ileus Oct 2012 #1

Yes, it is a constitutional right to own and to carry, as part of a militia. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #2

You seriously need to re-read these 2 quotes. n/t DWC Oct 2012 #4

And what is the "militia"? Clames Oct 2012 #5

I know were not born in this country so the 2nd Amendment is a foreign concept to you rl6214 Oct 2012 #9

Some have contended that the Second is the only "communitarian" right in the B.O.R... Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #10

Good points Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #18

We may have some agreement, here. I believe the individual states... Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #24

Well it's a good thing it IS spelled out in the US Code Reasonable_Argument Oct 2012 #11

I didn't mean the definition of "militia" Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #19

The 2nd amendment has been read to include that. AtheistCrusader Oct 2012 #111

Interesting! Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #113

Well, the 9th and 10th amendments speak to the power of the states AtheistCrusader Oct 2012 #115

our forefathers were uniformly against a large standing Army trouble.smith Oct 2012 #13

Well, that's highly debatable. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #20

there are countless quotes from our forefathers confirming what I said. trouble.smith Oct 2012 #25

Oh well, I guess that makes it OK then. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #30

You support the dissolution of the USA, then? Glaug-Eldare Oct 2012 #31

I am for the evolution of society. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #34

Times Change; fashions change; but DWC Oct 2012 #37

And the fashion today is to carry concealed guns in public. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #38

There were elitist and violent criminals DWC Oct 2012 #41

Interesting that there is no mention of criminals in 2A Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #47

No. The USA is not "the only country DWC Oct 2012 #97

One of the very few nations? Name another please. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #99

so, you're openly insulting your forefathers and your constitution now. trouble.smith Oct 2012 #87

They are not "his" to insult. He is a limey. oneshooter Oct 2012 #91

I am relieved to hear that trouble.smith Oct 2012 #95

Not at all. Maybe your forefathers, certainly not mine. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #93

Let's not forget who it was that came over here to America trouble.smith Oct 2012 #96

Ever been to Monticello? Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #101

please. The English were pioneers in the Atlantic slave trade befire TJ was even born. trouble.smith Oct 2012 #109

Since you brought it up, Jenoch Oct 2012 #114

That is one reason, but not the only reason. Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #15

Im not arguing that individuals can't own Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #21

Again, bearing as part of a militia is only one possible use of firearms. Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #22

Wrong. Clames Oct 2012 #29

The law, history, common sense, and popular opinion disagree with you 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #17

Since we need a militia, the right of the people to keep and bear arms should not be infringed... aikoaiko Oct 2012 #33

What militia do we need? And for what purpose? Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #59

I'm a member. AtheistCrusader Oct 2012 #90

I assume you are a member of Wa, NG. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #92

I am not a member of AtheistCrusader Oct 2012 #103

So how does that work? Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #105

The Washington State Guard (not the Washington State National Guard) AtheistCrusader Oct 2012 #106

Sounds like they forgot about you. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #108

That's a good use for it. AtheistCrusader Oct 2012 #110

What is this "WE" stuff? DWC Oct 2012 #98

I see only gun carriers born in this country are allowed to be citizens according to you. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #100

If you are a naturalized US Citizen DWC Oct 2012 #102

I love how the founders, just went all stupid when they got to the second amendment. AtheistCrusader Oct 2012 #89

Not really when you put it into context. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #94

Still does. AtheistCrusader Oct 2012 #104

Bingo. n/t Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #112

Yes, an individual right to own private arms, so that the equipment petronius Oct 2012 #3

The RKBA is... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #6

Molon labe DWC Oct 2012 #7

As a friend... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #8

Come and Take it Day! trouble.smith Oct 2012 #14

Yes. nt rDigital Oct 2012 #12

Why is this even being discussed? -..__... Oct 2012 #16

Some folks believe... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #23

Post removed Post removed Oct 2012 #26

Awesome stream of consciousness post. aikoaiko Oct 2012 #27

Thank you very much for the compliment. graham4anything Oct 2012 #28

Still sticking with the meme glacierbay Oct 2012 #35

notice, the more I say what I say, the more followers...I see beads of sweat forming on the gunnies graham4anything Oct 2012 #42

You give me permission to have guns inside my home? glacierbay Oct 2012 #45

re: "...permission to have guns..." discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #49

My oh my Berserker Oct 2012 #48

He's quite the authoratarian isn't he? glacierbay Oct 2012 #50

"...the more I say what I say, the more followers" holdencaufield Oct 2012 #88

Brilliant! Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #32

Brilliant? How so? glacierbay Oct 2012 #36

Rambling nonsense is par for the course in the gungeon. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #39

Hard to follow what you are saying, but I will address some of your points. Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #40

Whatever your post is about DWC Oct 2012 #43

Works fine in Israel...there is almost no street crime there. graham4anything Oct 2012 #44

Works fine in Israel glacierbay Oct 2012 #46

When was the last time you saw a deer sitting next to you in a bar? Or watching a movie in theatre? graham4anything Oct 2012 #52

re: "It's funny that dylan and eric got their guns from their father didn't they?" discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #53

Everytime he's proven wrong or asked to prove something he posted glacierbay Oct 2012 #55

I've quoted him before... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #56

Great live album. glacierbay Oct 2012 #57

I think he's just singing... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #60

I live in hotels glacierbay Oct 2012 #62

When I had to work... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #63

ad homenem your enemy. Typicle gunny response. graham4anything Oct 2012 #66

If you knew what a "Gunny" is ... holdencaufield Oct 2012 #68

Just further evidence of how out of touch he really is. nt. glacierbay Oct 2012 #70

another ad homenim graham4anything Oct 2012 #75

Oo-rah! discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #71

Get over it discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #72

Still didn't answer my question. glacierbay Oct 2012 #54

re: "...SCOTUS change the recent pro gun rulings..." discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #61

Reading your Berserker Oct 2012 #58

Puzzle hell, glacierbay Oct 2012 #64

nobody is looking to change your mind...it is to change the mind of reasonable people graham4anything Oct 2012 #67

So now I'm not a reasonable person? glacierbay Oct 2012 #69

That man you are Berserker Oct 2012 #76

"...if it were a cannon you were lugging around in your pants " holdencaufield Oct 2012 #85

aww the old when you lose an argument, you post big pictures to annoy other posters graham4anything Oct 2012 #73

re: "My power of thought was more powerful than all their guns." discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #74

He's a funny guy. glacierbay Oct 2012 #78

are you serious? gejohnston Oct 2012 #79

Obscene guns? glacierbay Oct 2012 #80

Looks like my garage sale ... holdencaufield Oct 2012 #83

Now that's an obscene gun. nt. glacierbay Oct 2012 #84

Some of us... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #65

The things you see when you're out without your gun ... holdencaufield Oct 2012 #77

Right, no-one has ever shot their way past a security check-point, right? PavePusher Oct 2012 #81

just a suggestion gejohnston Oct 2012 #82

Naw. glacierbay Oct 2012 #86

Having a collective... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #51

Of course it is - the entire BOR are individual rights hack89 Oct 2012 #107