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4th law of robotics

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65. Yep, the US is a virtual island.
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 02:06 PM
Oct 2012

We have major oceans on both sides of us and thoroughly peaceful relations with our only neighbors (well we've had issues on the Mexican border, but nothing like a war in a long time).

As such a powerful navy and air force are sufficient to guard our borders against most threats and project power when needed (like say by supporting uprisings against unpopular despots).

An army is a double edged sword: great for fending off enemies by shooting them until they behave, also great for oppressing citizens by shooting them until they behave.

This was common knowledge in the colonial days and part of the reason why absolute despotism developed on the mainland of Europe under strong central armies whereas the British remained (ironically given the revolution) relatively free due to their reliance on a strong navy and comparably weak army. That's part of the reason why "representation" was even an issue in the 13 colonies whereas no one in the French or Spanish colonies could have even conceived of that.

I guess at some point we forgot that.

/also it's really expensive during times of peace.

//if you get a chance this is an awesome history book that covers this phenomenon pretty well: http://books.google.com/books/about/War_and_the_rise_of_the_state.html?id=ZRKFAAAAMAAJ

certain unalienable Rights [View all] discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2012 OP
having the most powerful federal force in the history of the world michael811 Sep 2012 #1
Bullshit discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2012 #3
Not to mention the North Vietnamese DonP Sep 2012 #32
There is a long history... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2012 #36
I would rather have the latter gejohnston Sep 2012 #5
I agree 100 percent nt. michael811 Sep 2012 #8
Some very good points here. discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #50
Start by repealing Citizens United. n/t Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #59
Bullshit glacierbay Sep 2012 #12
"the most powerful federal force in the history of the world" Oneka Sep 2012 #20
So why do we need the most powerful federal force in history michael811 Sep 2012 #25
follow the money gejohnston Sep 2012 #27
Including the so-called War on Drugs jeepnstein Oct 2012 #46
re: War on Drugs discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #47
Our leaders like to project power, Oneka Sep 2012 #38
That Monroe Doctrine... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #39
they would STAY THE FUCK OUT OF OTHER PEOPLE'S BUSINESS. Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #60
the article forgot a few armies gejohnston Sep 2012 #26
"The populace cannot effectively stand up to the military" MercutioATC Sep 2012 #29
Great, so let's pare down our military 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #33
If it was a handful of yahoos trying to take over a governmet building, you'd be right sylvi Oct 2012 #41
There will always be... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #48
...istan, algeria, Nam, Cuba, Tunisia, U.S.A. ..... Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #42
I wish I had a dollar for every grabber that came on and Missycim Oct 2012 #44
I wish I had all the tax dollars I had back apparently wasted michael811 Oct 2012 #53
A huge domesticated "herd" DWC Oct 2012 #45
one more major terrorist attack and americans couldn't hand over their rights michael811 Oct 2012 #51
Wrong! discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #52
the military your neighbors your friends and it will all be in the name of patriotism michael811 Oct 2012 #54
I am not even arguing that your guns should be... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #55
Nothing is Impossible DWC Oct 2012 #57
It doesn't matter. Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #58
If we are going all originalist here we can have no permanent army, the wish to have every man armed Vincardog Sep 2012 #2
Bullshit discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2012 #4
There is a two year time limit for funding on a standing army michael811 Sep 2012 #7
Where does it restrict military forces... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2012 #9
There you have it "occasional need for the existence of an armed contingent" OCCASIONAL not Vincardog Sep 2012 #11
Please highlight... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2012 #14
I believe that opinions are like assholes. Vincardog Sep 2012 #16
With all due respect... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2012 #21
The point was to limit the existence of federal armies to times of war only michael811 Sep 2012 #13
You are quite correct :) n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2012 #15
Did you notice the Constitution does not mention the Air Force either? Vincardog Sep 2012 #17
only because it didn't exist gejohnston Sep 2012 #18
Where is the Constitutional restriction against having the Corporations own the politicians? They Vincardog Sep 2012 #10
Absolutely... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2012 #31
I'm cool with that gejohnston Sep 2012 #6
Why would the constitution grant the right to raise an army to the government? 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #34
Re-read the Articles.nt Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #43
I'd be ok with drastic reductions to our standing infantry forces 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #63
that is why the Constitution mandates an active navy gejohnston Oct 2012 #64
Yep, the US is a virtual island. 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #65
Bingo got it in one. Mandatory service for all. Even Willard's kids. Vincardog Oct 2012 #66
I like the mandatory service idea. discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #67
Willard M. RobMe. GOP candidate for POTUS. Vincardog Oct 2012 #68
that name always reminds of a movie gejohnston Oct 2012 #69
oh my discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #71
I strongly support the Swedish Model DWC Oct 2012 #70
I like it discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #72
There is a line to be drawn somewhere though right ? michael811 Sep 2012 #19
If citizens have the right to individually bear the primary weapons of the armed forces at the unit rDigital Sep 2012 #22
This is a complicated issue. discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2012 #23
Thanks for answering michael811 Sep 2012 #28
I don't see as much danger... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2012 #30
You never answered... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #40
nuclear weapons are not arms gejohnston Sep 2012 #24
" I don't know guns all that well." Thank you for your honesty. n/t oneshooter Oct 2012 #49
I don't own any firearms, and I don't really care for them, ZombieHorde Sep 2012 #35
I'm not crazy about children and... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2012 #37
That's fair. (n/t) spin Oct 2012 #56
Empire and its consequences locks Oct 2012 #61
I read that. Thanks. discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #62
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