Gun Control & RKBA

Starboard Tack

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90. That would be you. It has nothing to do with rights, but behavior.

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 07:06 PM

Dec 2012

The right to own and/or carry is neither progressive nor regressive. It is a right enumerated in the Bill of Rights. Your attempt to redefine it as being progressive is naive at best and dishonest at worst.

Regardless the right, there is nothing progressive about exercising any right. You obviously don't understand the meaning of the word.

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Gun-Control Lobby Targets Obama, Demands Reform [View all] SecularMotion Nov 2012 OP

safeguard you and your family....don't wait ileus Nov 2012 #1

Progressive gun owners don't wear their guns in public. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #3

And what is the "problem?" Eleanors38 Nov 2012 #5

The problem is too many dead and injured people. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #6

Nope. I think it's a style thing with you. Eleanors38 Nov 2012 #8

No, it's really about confronting stupidity. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #9

Please explain how wearing a gun in public contributes to the problem of dead people. Pacafishmate Dec 2012 #46

You must be kidding, right? Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #48

Says you... Clames Nov 2012 #10

You obviously need a history lesson. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #13

My history is fine and doesn't need "fixing" from... Clames Nov 2012 #14

And how did Prohibition work out for progressives back then? LAGC Nov 2012 #15

Exactly my point. Thank you. Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #40

And Alcohol Prohibition was one of the worst mistakes MicaelS Dec 2012 #33

I agree with you 100% Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #39

"Progressivism in this country has always been at the forefront on Gun Control and Prohibition." friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #34

You sir, are the revisionist. Maybe I missed the word "progressive" Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #38

The Vermont Progressive Party makes no mention of gun control on their website. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #49

Thanks. I was aware of that. That was my point. Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #50

Then carrying guns around (legally) isn't a marker for *anything*, save... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #52

It is a choice for any individual as long as guns exist and should be so. Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #53

Choice. Straw Man Dec 2012 #55

Depends on the situation. Sometimes it may be reactionary, but never is it progressive. Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #56

And here ... Straw Man Dec 2012 #59

Yeah, well you know what thought did, don't you? Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #60

Translation. Straw Man Dec 2012 #61

You said, that not me. Mistranslation. Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #62

Respecting choice is progressive. Straw Man Dec 2012 #63

Utter bullshit Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #64

How about respecting the Constitution that guarantees said right to choose? derby378 Dec 2012 #65

Respecting the Constitution is fine. Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #66

You just made my argument for me derby378 Dec 2012 #71

Different argument. Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #72

I question your authority to define what a progressive gun owner can wear in public. (n/t) spin Nov 2012 #17

My authority? LOL Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #21

The Deacons For Defense And Justice certainly felt it was progressive friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #35

My stubborn revisionism? LOL Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #36

A progressive gun owner can wear whatever he likes in public. Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #67

it's not regressive either gejohnston Dec 2012 #68

I think I have made my point quite clearly. Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #69

didn't say it was gejohnston Dec 2012 #73

I'm with you on that. Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #74

Read the definition you sent me. ... spin Dec 2012 #75

Then, with respect, we agree to disagree. Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #77

TMK, there are three gejohnston Dec 2012 #78

You may well be correct. So AA are proportiantely represented here. Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #79

Undoubtedly we will end up agreeing to disagree on this point too ... spin Dec 2012 #80

Actually, I agree with most of that. Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #83

I have introduced a number of women to shooting ... spin Dec 2012 #96

Do progressive gun owners even own firearms? ileus Nov 2012 #24

There is nothing progressive or regressive about owning firearms. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #25

I don't even have 100...there's only 30-80 currently ileus Nov 2012 #27

Not looking for a '56 Winchester Model 50 are you? n/t Clames Dec 2012 #32

Oh yeah? What else am I prohibited from doing, oh wise and all knowing one? AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #85

Who's prohibiting you from doing anything? Certainly not me. Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #86

Who are you AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #87

Who am I? A DU member expressing an opinion. Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #88

Really? AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #89

That would be you. It has nothing to do with rights, but behavior. Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #90

It is progressive when various state entities inhibit or infringe upon that right. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #91

That's debatable. Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #93

Fair enough. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #94

While the Constitution forbids disarming the people, Mr. Fineblatt does have a path to reducing gun TPaine7 Nov 2012 #2

I think disarming NYPD is going too far. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #7

I wasn't actually saying that he SHOULD disarm police, SWAT or others. TPaine7 Nov 2012 #16

Then you make a good argument for constitutional change. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #19

Sure, if you like tilting at windmills hack89 Nov 2012 #29

Yup. That's the solution to violent firearm crime. Disarm the cops. ... spin Nov 2012 #18

Always happy to entertain. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #20

cops with guns kill people....that's mean and hateful. ileus Nov 2012 #23

To top that off, it's HOMICIDE!!! spin Nov 2012 #30

Any mechanical form of self defense is impolite. ileus Dec 2012 #31

Actually... Spryguy Dec 2012 #54

Actually, yeah. sir pball Dec 2012 #70

What you envision is similar to the the British police force. ... spin Dec 2012 #76

I know and I was thinking that sir pball Dec 2012 #81

Most of the police that I am friends with feel their weapon is a deterrent. ... spin Dec 2012 #82

My officer friends feel the same.. sir pball Dec 2012 #84

Unfortunately many cops have little interest in shooting. ... spin Dec 2012 #95

I know, and as far as I'm concerned that's unacceptable sir pball Dec 2012 #97

My daughter, son, and wife are damned good reasons. ileus Nov 2012 #22

So what are you saying? You accompany them everywhere, like a bodyguard? Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #26

Naw man, the wife started carrying her own personal safety device, and happy watches over the kids ileus Nov 2012 #28

Oh, so you don't carry, just your wife. makes more sense. Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #37

deputy happy...He's always armed when on duty. ileus Dec 2012 #41

Little of that makes any sense to me. Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #42

no, you got it. montanto Dec 2012 #57

So, you agree with me that he is contradictory? Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #58

He may have forgotten a modifier like 'open' or 'concealed'? AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #92

Yep. Even gun-controllers "target" Obama... Eleanors38 Nov 2012 #4

Unfortunate choice of words. AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #11

Can only hope the irony isn't lost on the OP. Clames Nov 2012 #12

Once they acquire some political power then maybe they will get results hack89 Dec 2012 #43

The plight of gun-controllers is not solely the result of the NRA's power... Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #44

their influence is waning. they will leave this world having wasted their time and breath trouble.smith Dec 2012 #45

Get over it , guns are here to stay. former-republican Dec 2012 #47

I don't see reforming stand your ground laws as a matter of gun control bluestateguy Dec 2012 #51