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In reply to the discussion: You guys have to see this thread. [View all]freshwest
(53,661 posts)82. OMG, what a night!
Digging up a dead man, repeatedly, to try to support a live candidate suggests that there aren't any live people in the constituency that are willing to pipe up for said candidate.
That's just sad. But after I read what was posted above about the AAs talking about race too much... I think AAs should decide when enough is enough.
BS is disappointing me now and I'm reeling reading he said that. It shows not walking a mile in the other man's shoes. Race was a factor for AAs in everything about this nation even before it was founded officially.
Yes, tell AAs to STHU. If you don't agree, you must be:
Lumpenproletariat is a term that was originally coined by Karl Marx to describe the layer of the working class that is unlikely ever to achieve class consciousness and is therefore lost to socially useful production, of no use to the revolutionary struggle, and perhaps even an impediment to the realization of a classless society.[1]
The word is derived from the German word Lumpenproletarier, a word literally meaning "miscreant" as well as "rag". The term proletarian was first defined by Marx and Friedrich Engels in The German Ideology (1845) and later elaborated on in other works by Marx.
The Marxist Internet Archive writes that "this term identifies the class of outcast, degenerated and submerged elements that make up a section of the population of industrial centers" which include...
"beggars, prostitutes, gangsters, racketeers, swindlers, petty criminals, tramps, chronic unemployed or unemployables, persons who have been cast out by industry, and all sorts of declassed, degraded or degenerated elements."[2]
In The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Napoleon (1852), Marx gives this description of the lumpenproletariat:
Alongside decayed roués with dubious means of subsistence and of dubious origin, alongside ruined and adventurous offshoots of the bourgeoisie, were vagabonds, discharged soldiers, discharged jailbirds, escaped galley slaves, swindlers, mountebanks, lazzaroni, pickpockets, tricksters, gamblers, maquereaux [pimps], brothel keepers, porters, literati, organ grinders, ragpickers, knife grinders, tinkers, beggars in short, the whole indefinite, disintegrated mass, thrown hither and thither, which the French call la bohème.[3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lumpenproletariat
Well, nice to know who should be consigned to the dump. Is it any wonder so many are treated with disdain?
Not exactly an improvement over the idealism of 'All Men Are Created Equal,' huh? Think I'll just pass on that one...
I'm a democratic socialist, but exclusivity of the type preached there (did anyone note all the 'Amens' in the MLK, Jr. thread?) is not better than the American system, with all its faults.
It's also, as cited here in the group, that white privilege and unwillingness to see others as equal that got MLK, Jr. killed. Not just because of human or worker rights, but racism.
I can't imagine how grinding it is to have one's suffering usurped by those who didn't give a damn in the first place.
That's just sad. But after I read what was posted above about the AAs talking about race too much... I think AAs should decide when enough is enough.
BS is disappointing me now and I'm reeling reading he said that. It shows not walking a mile in the other man's shoes. Race was a factor for AAs in everything about this nation even before it was founded officially.
Yes, tell AAs to STHU. If you don't agree, you must be:
Lumpenproletariat is a term that was originally coined by Karl Marx to describe the layer of the working class that is unlikely ever to achieve class consciousness and is therefore lost to socially useful production, of no use to the revolutionary struggle, and perhaps even an impediment to the realization of a classless society.[1]
The word is derived from the German word Lumpenproletarier, a word literally meaning "miscreant" as well as "rag". The term proletarian was first defined by Marx and Friedrich Engels in The German Ideology (1845) and later elaborated on in other works by Marx.
The Marxist Internet Archive writes that "this term identifies the class of outcast, degenerated and submerged elements that make up a section of the population of industrial centers" which include...
"beggars, prostitutes, gangsters, racketeers, swindlers, petty criminals, tramps, chronic unemployed or unemployables, persons who have been cast out by industry, and all sorts of declassed, degraded or degenerated elements."[2]
In The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Napoleon (1852), Marx gives this description of the lumpenproletariat:
Alongside decayed roués with dubious means of subsistence and of dubious origin, alongside ruined and adventurous offshoots of the bourgeoisie, were vagabonds, discharged soldiers, discharged jailbirds, escaped galley slaves, swindlers, mountebanks, lazzaroni, pickpockets, tricksters, gamblers, maquereaux [pimps], brothel keepers, porters, literati, organ grinders, ragpickers, knife grinders, tinkers, beggars in short, the whole indefinite, disintegrated mass, thrown hither and thither, which the French call la bohème.[3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lumpenproletariat
Well, nice to know who should be consigned to the dump. Is it any wonder so many are treated with disdain?
Not exactly an improvement over the idealism of 'All Men Are Created Equal,' huh? Think I'll just pass on that one...
I'm a democratic socialist, but exclusivity of the type preached there (did anyone note all the 'Amens' in the MLK, Jr. thread?) is not better than the American system, with all its faults.
It's also, as cited here in the group, that white privilege and unwillingness to see others as equal that got MLK, Jr. killed. Not just because of human or worker rights, but racism.
I can't imagine how grinding it is to have one's suffering usurped by those who didn't give a damn in the first place.
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Thank you. Have you seen the attacks in the big forums on minority communities?
Number23
Jun 2015
#17
That's why so many of us don't even bother. There is no reasoning with people like this
Number23
Jun 2015
#31
I have truly come to believe that THIS is the one true goal of this group of loud know nothings
Number23
Jun 2015
#52
IDK if they understand what they are doing will discourag people from voting, period:
freshwest
Jun 2015
#62
That's why I feel some are Libertarians. This was the 2008 behavior of Pauls.
freshwest
Jun 2015
#66
Why do I get the feeling most of these folks probably couldn't even do that right?
Number23
Jun 2015
#35
Yes, between that and jumping into groups, they have all the zeal of a Paulite. And some..
freshwest
Jun 2015
#58
Well, I was born and paying attention and it was ALL about race. They should stop denying this!
freshwest
Jun 2015
#69
You need to hurry up and post your findings from your three OPs. That will make for some very
Number23
Jun 2015
#73
I loved the idea of of an MLK memorial in DC--I hated the execution of that thing.
MADem
Jun 2015
#51
Last I heard Secretary Salazar said it was staying blank. That is what the artist recommended.
MADem
Jun 2015
#59
Help me, you are speaking of the Bernie supporters who are using MLK to incorrectly imply
randys1
Jun 2015
#16
Wait, but... I want to understand what you were talking about, if not that, what.
randys1
Jun 2015
#21
Oh, that. I am arguing with a braindead rightwinger elsewhere at the moment, a group of us are
randys1
Jun 2015
#29
I saw that OP when it only had a few posts. Just saw it again. The "Amens" have done it for me
Number23
Jun 2015
#19
I have been banned from the Bernie group. I have supported Bernie both financially and in his
randys1
Jun 2015
#23
"The Bernie group on DU is nothing like the Bernie group in the real world, I hope"
Number23
Jun 2015
#26
I can't find the post yet, but you said of O'Malley and positions and reciepts. Then gave a list of
freshwest
Jun 2015
#104
I know you do! I'm more likely to use that gun. Some have cut on me too long. I got a short fuse now
freshwest
Jun 2015
#106
That forum brooks zero dissent--even if the dissent has nothing to do with the candidate.
MADem
Jun 2015
#28
Apparently a few folks saw fit to "inform" the OP that we were just terrible, awful here
Number23
Jun 2015
#77
Are you starting to see why you can practically count on two hands the number of black posters in
Number23
Jun 2015
#18
And deliberately going against the new rules on electioneering. It won't be locked, because... MLK!
freshwest
Jun 2015
#83
When I saw that one quote by MLK posted yet again, without context, without anything...
Spazito
Jun 2015
#88
And here's the thing, most Bernie supporters on DU dont know what he means, anyway.
randys1
Jun 2015
#91
Thank you for this thread. Reading all of your comments makes me feel normal again.
betsuni
Jun 2015
#79