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freshwest

(53,661 posts)
82. OMG, what a night!
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 04:26 AM
Jun 2015
Digging up a dead man, repeatedly, to try to support a live candidate suggests that there aren't any live people in the constituency that are willing to pipe up for said candidate.

That's just sad. But after I read what was posted above about the AAs talking about race too much... I think AAs should decide when enough is enough.

BS is disappointing me now and I'm reeling reading he said that. It shows not walking a mile in the other man's shoes. Race was a factor for AAs in everything about this nation even before it was founded officially.

Yes, tell AAs to STHU. If you don't agree, you must be:

Lumpenproletariat
is a term that was originally coined by Karl Marx to describe the layer of the working class that is unlikely ever to achieve class consciousness and is therefore lost to socially useful production, of no use to the revolutionary struggle, and perhaps even an impediment to the realization of a classless society.[1]

The word is derived from the German word Lumpenproletarier, a word literally meaning "miscreant" as well as "rag". The term proletarian was first defined by Marx and Friedrich Engels in The German Ideology (1845) and later elaborated on in other works by Marx.

The Marxist Internet Archive writes that "this term identifies the class of outcast, degenerated and submerged elements that make up a section of the population of industrial centers" which include...

"beggars, prostitutes, gangsters, racketeers, swindlers, petty criminals, tramps, chronic unemployed or unemployables, persons who have been cast out by industry, and all sorts of declassed, degraded or degenerated elements."[2]


In The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Napoleon (1852), Marx gives this description of the lumpenproletariat:

Alongside decayed roués with dubious means of subsistence and of dubious origin, alongside ruined and adventurous offshoots of the bourgeoisie, were vagabonds, discharged soldiers, discharged jailbirds, escaped galley slaves, swindlers, mountebanks, lazzaroni, pickpockets, tricksters, gamblers, maquereaux [pimps], brothel keepers, porters, literati, organ grinders, ragpickers, knife grinders, tinkers, beggars — in short, the whole indefinite, disintegrated mass, thrown hither and thither, which the French call la bohème.[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lumpenproletariat

Well, nice to know who should be consigned to the dump. Is it any wonder so many are treated with disdain?

Not exactly an improvement over the idealism of 'All Men Are Created Equal,' huh? Think I'll just pass on that one...

I'm a democratic socialist, but exclusivity of the type preached there (did anyone note all the 'Amens' in the MLK, Jr. thread?) is not better than the American system, with all its faults.

It's also, as cited here in the group, that white privilege and unwillingness to see others as equal that got MLK, Jr. killed. Not just because of human or worker rights, but racism.

I can't imagine how grinding it is to have one's suffering usurped by those who didn't give a damn in the first place.

It's the same pandering bullshit BumRushDaShow Jun 2015 #1
This POC does not see it the same way as you. azmom Jun 2015 #2
Then we need to agree to disagree BumRushDaShow Jun 2015 #3
Yeah, that's not good. Did all of the candidates phone it azmom Jun 2015 #4
Ask yourself when the primaries are BumRushDaShow Jun 2015 #5
It is still much too early. azmom Jun 2015 #6
In 1980 BumRushDaShow Jun 2015 #7
of course not heaven05 Jun 2015 #113
Thank you. Have you seen the attacks in the big forums on minority communities? Number23 Jun 2015 #17
There is a large (and growing) number of people on DU with an agenda BumRushDaShow Jun 2015 #22
Please check out the most recent MLK thread in this forum Number23 Jun 2015 #25
Holy crap gollygee Jun 2015 #30
That's why so many of us don't even bother. There is no reasoning with people like this Number23 Jun 2015 #31
I had finally finished going through the 1st thread BumRushDaShow Jun 2015 #36
Yep! They Hulk the fuck OUT. Number23 Jun 2015 #42
Yup BumRushDaShow Jun 2015 #46
Their approach makes me distrust Sanders JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #49
I have truly come to believe that THIS is the one true goal of this group of loud know nothings Number23 Jun 2015 #52
Look down in this thread a bit JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #55
IDK if they understand what they are doing will discourag people from voting, period: freshwest Jun 2015 #62
It's insane. And it's just dumb and pointless. I don't get it. Number23 Jun 2015 #64
That's why I feel some are Libertarians. This was the 2008 behavior of Pauls. freshwest Jun 2015 #66
"And with that latest thing going after noire" Number23 Jun 2015 #72
Oh, you missed that drama, huh? It was ugly, but here you go: freshwest Jun 2015 #75
That's precisely what I think many of them try doing here. lovemydog Jun 2015 #78
Someone so self-entitled BainsBane Jun 2015 #71
Yes, they are trying to create divisions azmom Jun 2015 #94
I still don't really have an answer to that, sadly Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #32
Why do I get the feeling most of these folks probably couldn't even do that right? Number23 Jun 2015 #35
That happened with Occupy Oakland, too. Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #37
Occupy has got to be one of the left's biggest blunders and disappointments Number23 Jun 2015 #45
+1000 Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #50
some in the occupy movement do azmom Jun 2015 #95
Same with Occupy New Mexico. lovemydog Jun 2015 #81
It was nuts, wasn't it? Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #86
I don't know if you saw what happened here BumRushDaShow Jun 2015 #39
Yes, between that and jumping into groups, they have all the zeal of a Paulite. And some.. freshwest Jun 2015 #58
. . . BainsBane Jun 2015 #47
You owe me a suit cleaning bill ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #63
Well, I was born and paying attention and it was ALL about race. They should stop denying this! freshwest Jun 2015 #69
You need to hurry up and post your findings from your three OPs. That will make for some very Number23 Jun 2015 #73
OMG! I'm dying here! ROFLMAO! freshwest Jun 2015 #76
+1 for one of the funniest lovemydog Jun 2015 #80
A percentage of the supporters are trolls, I'm convinced steve2470 Jun 2015 #84
LOL. Okay azmom Jun 2015 #93
Yep, it's going to get worse heaven05 Jun 2015 #112
Whaddaya mean? MADem Jun 2015 #27
Some BumRushDaShow Jun 2015 #33
People who have had a fairly high profile in public life say a lot of things. MADem Jun 2015 #38
I think the epitome of that was displayed here BumRushDaShow Jun 2015 #44
I loved the idea of of an MLK memorial in DC--I hated the execution of that thing. MADem Jun 2015 #51
I think the repair is still underway BumRushDaShow Jun 2015 #57
Last I heard Secretary Salazar said it was staying blank. That is what the artist recommended. MADem Jun 2015 #59
Okay that's what I thought I had seen... BumRushDaShow Jun 2015 #60
Am I the only one who thinks the sculpture itself is ugly? BainsBane Jun 2015 #67
I thought that it's a cover for a statue of Chairman Mao! MADem Jun 2015 #68
OMG, what a night! freshwest Jun 2015 #82
That post deserves a drum roll! And a bada bing! MADem Jun 2015 #85
Well ... I'm done. 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #8
Agreed JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #9
And sadly ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #10
Psst - know what I did? JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #11
But how will I be entertained? 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #12
Fair point JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #13
Help me, you are speaking of the Bernie supporters who are using MLK to incorrectly imply randys1 Jun 2015 #16
That, too! n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #20
Wait, but... I want to understand what you were talking about, if not that, what. randys1 Jun 2015 #21
It is far more general ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #24
Oh, that. I am arguing with a braindead rightwinger elsewhere at the moment, a group of us are randys1 Jun 2015 #29
It's reminiscent of the larouchies.... boston bean Jun 2015 #41
No, I suspect they care about me ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #48
I saw that OP when it only had a few posts. Just saw it again. The "Amens" have done it for me Number23 Jun 2015 #19
I have been banned from the Bernie group. I have supported Bernie both financially and in his randys1 Jun 2015 #23
"The Bernie group on DU is nothing like the Bernie group in the real world, I hope" Number23 Jun 2015 #26
+1000 sheshe2 Jun 2015 #34
^^^This^^^ tishaLA Jun 2015 #40
.... greatauntoftriplets Jun 2015 #43
In response to this thread JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #53
I can't find the post yet, but you said of O'Malley and positions and reciepts. Then gave a list of freshwest Jun 2015 #104
You tell no lies! JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #105
I know you do! I'm more likely to use that gun. Some have cut on me too long. I got a short fuse now freshwest Jun 2015 #106
Amen Sistah.. sing it! Cha Jun 2015 #70
That forum brooks zero dissent--even if the dissent has nothing to do with the candidate. MADem Jun 2015 #28
Yet - the AA goupis hostile to non blacks JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #54
Ha ha ha!! MADem Jun 2015 #56
Who said that? BainsBane Jun 2015 #65
Apparently a few folks saw fit to "inform" the OP that we were just terrible, awful here Number23 Jun 2015 #77
Really? gollygee Jun 2015 #87
YEZ, Y IZ U SO MEEN 2 MEE? freshwest Jun 2015 #99
Oh my! JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #100
How'd you like the 'AllAboutMee' cat? freshwest Jun 2015 #101
So true and accurate! JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #102
That is my assessment too. I've been azmom Jun 2015 #89
it's the same ones who keep doing it also JI7 Jun 2015 #14
An honest conversation and ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #15
Are you starting to see why you can practically count on two hands the number of black posters in Number23 Jun 2015 #18
Very clear and obvious and I guess nobody cares, NOBODY...not here anyway randys1 Jun 2015 #90
Not many latinos either. Our forum is dead. azmom Jun 2015 #98
Dear god, it was just reposted in GD. By demand, apparently. Sheldon Cooper Jun 2015 #61
And deliberately going against the new rules on electioneering. It won't be locked, because... MLK! freshwest Jun 2015 #83
If it weren't for my friends here in this group lovemydog Jun 2015 #74
When I saw that one quote by MLK posted yet again, without context, without anything... Spazito Jun 2015 #88
And here's the thing, most Bernie supporters on DU dont know what he means, anyway. randys1 Jun 2015 #91
From my perspective... Spazito Jun 2015 #92
That's what I'm hoping for. Bernie is a real lefty azmom Jun 2015 #96
That's a cheat JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #103
You know they are all liars. azmom Jun 2015 #107
I have no idea who that is JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #108
I don't either, he is not mainstream. azmom Jun 2015 #109
After seeing what went down JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #110
DU is fucking racist. azmom Jun 2015 #111
Thank you for this thread. Reading all of your comments makes me feel normal again. betsuni Jun 2015 #79
Same here betsuni. lovemydog Jun 2015 #97
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