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UMTerp01

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Sat May 21, 2016, 03:23 PM May 2016

Yes Bernie, the System is Rigged. Whining about it won't win you Black votes. Here's why. [View all]

http://www.theroot.com/articles/politics/2016/05/yes_bernie_sanders_the_system_is_rigged_what_else_is_new.html

Yes, Bernie Sanders, the System Is Rigged—What Else Is New?
Whining won’t win the Democratic presidential candidate black votes. Here’s why.

BY: JASON JOHNSON
Posted: May 21 2016 7:05 AM

Bernie Sanders has no reason to be angry. He’s done more to raise his profile in the last 18 months than he’s done in over 30 years in the House and Senate. He’s managed to drag the Democratic Party left after years of centrist posturing by Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. He’s raised millions and galvanized millions more. However, he and his supporters still complain that the primary system is rigged and the Democratic Party isn’t treating them fairly. It was the belief that the Democratic establishment is out to get Sanders that led to the violence and disruptions at the Nevada State Democratic Party Convention last week. This attitude is also the main reason Sanders has failed to consistently resonate with African-American voters. Black folks have always known that the system is rigged—what they want is someone to change it, not just complain about it.

Objectively speaking, there is a great deal to like about Sanders’ political positions, regardless of your party affiliation. Who isn’t in favor of taking money out of the hands of big business and putting it back into the pockets of consumers? Who isn’t in favor of making Washington, D.C., more accountable to voters? You may quibble with how Sanders proposes to accomplish his goals, or whether he can actually achieve them, but the goals themselves are pretty party-neutral, which is befitting a lifelong independent senator (more on that later). Despite a strong message about economic inequality, Sanders has never managed to be competitive with African-American Democrats in primary states. Many have argued ad nauseam about why the Sanders campaign has struggled with black voters, and the arguments generally fall into two equally simplistic and nominally insulting categories: 1) Black folks are foolishly loyal to the Clintons in some form of electoral Stockholm syndrome; or 2) Black folks don’t ultimately know what’s best for them and don’t know Sanders well enough to realize that he’s the best choice.

I’ve avoided stepping into this fray because not only are both arguments faulty, but neither one in any way reflects the black Democrats and independents I know. The real reason Sanders has failed to connect with many mainline African-American Democrats is what happened at the Nevada convention May 14. Sanders and his surrogates represent a discomfiting liberal white privilege that has always made African-American voters feel ill at ease, even when ultimate goals are in sync. Stop me if you’ve had this experience before: You are driving downtown on a Friday night with one of your white friends in the passenger seat. Suddenly, those all-too-familiar red and blue lights start to flash behind you and you’re pulled over. The police officer plays cops’ favorite game, which is to ask a lot of perfectly legal, but thoroughly insulting and inconvenient, questions in search of a post hoc rationalization for pulling you over to begin with.

While you try to calmly navigate the situation, your white friend is going ballistic now that real, live, actual racism is happening in front of him or her. Which hits you with two simultaneous feelings: first, that it’s nice your friend has your back; and second, annoyance that it took a routine example of racial discrimination for your friend to finally realize your daily reality. And your friend’s reaction, while sincere, is way out of proportion to the offense. If anything, it reflects a sort of alienating privilege. In a nutshell, Sanders is your white friend in the car. Of course the Democratic primary system is rigged, Bernie Sanders. What else is new? Party systems have always been rigged—ask any African-American candidate over the last 100 years. Sanders is angry because the Democratic Party put debates on weekends to help Clinton? How about when the Republicans handcuffed Alan Keyes to keep him out of the Atlanta debates in 1996?

Sanders is angry because the Democratic National Committee state bosses are in the tank for Clinton? In 2008, then-Sen. Obama had to start his own national organization, Obama for America, because he knew that party leaders wanted Clinton. At no point did you see supporters of Obama or Keyes or half a dozen other black candidates throw chairs or make death threats because they were losing. The problem with Sanders and his supporters goes even deeper, though. Sanders just became a Democrat about 15 minutes ago so that he could run for the party nomination. For almost 40 years he’s been a proud independent, remember? Legally and structurally, the Democratic Party has every right to make things difficult for a relative outsider to snag the nomination.

When Sanders complains that the Democratic primary is rigged against an independent candidate, he sounds like a white sorority complaining that they lost the step show on points because this year’s theme was “Dark and Lovely.” It takes a lot of gall to show up with a membership card so new the ink is wet and start complaining about the process. Now that same sorority is tearing up the gym, throwing chairs and threatening to go all the way to the Pan-Hellenic Council if they don’t get their way. Just because you lost something doesn’t mean it was stolen—unless you’re dipped in the kind of privilege that tells you something is owed to you to begin with. African-American Democrats have every right not to like Hillary Clinton, who wore her white privilege like a ski mask in 2008 and whose policy history leaves a lot to be desired. But that doesn’t make the self-righteous complaining of Sanders any easier to stomach. Yes, Sanders has been a freedom fighter for progressive causes for decades, but when it comes to the Democratic primary, he and his supporters have been consummate whiners reeking of privilege.

You want to talk about a rigged system? Look at Shirley Chisholm, Keyes, the Rev. Jesse Jackson or, even better, ask Democratic state Sen. Maria Chappelle-Nadal of Missouri, Republican Lenny McAllister in Pennsylvania, or dozens of other African-American Democrats and Republicans who are actual long-term party members who were betrayed in their primaries. If Sanders wants to be a part of the system, he has to find a way to beat it, then take it apart from the inside—not start halfway, then begin flipping chairs when the numbers aren’t adding up in his favor. Protest appeals to black voters, revolution appeals to black voters, but whining doesn’t. It has not always been clear that the Sanders campaign knows the difference.

Jason Johnson, political editor at The Root, is a professor of political science at Hiram College in Ohio and an analyst for CNN, MSNBC, Al-Jazeera and Fox Business News. Follow him on Twitter.
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This is one of the best arguments I've seen to challenge so many of those claiming that Blacks must have "Stockholm Syndrome" to be voting for Hillary Clinton. They just don't get it. I flirted with Bernie for awhile. I went from solid Hillary to undecided. But my state voting later in the process probably helped me go back to Hillary's side because you could see the unraveling of Bernie's campaign begin. Had my state voted in February or Mid-March I may have pulled the lever for Sanders. But voting later on actually didn't work in his favor. So that whole "once people get to know Bernie more they will like him" narrative that his supporters always used was actually the opposite for me. I still like the guy, but the more I have gotten to see this process play out I knew he wasn't the one I wanted to pick. Don't get me wrong. I'm not thrilled to bits with Hillary either, but she is my choice for a number of reasons and I will vote for her in November.
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Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #1
Stand by The Polack MSgt May 2016 #2
No chairs were thrown. Baobab May 2016 #42
Are you serious? wildeyed May 2016 #51
No chairs were thrown. A chair was lifted by one guy who was hugged and the chair was taken from him Baobab May 2016 #62
You are serious! wildeyed May 2016 #69
I understand- My first post I didnt realize that- but I do now- But wait a second before you lump me Baobab May 2016 #76
Those things may or may not be true. wildeyed May 2016 #81
Sounds like a plan- Baobab May 2016 #85
So instead of answering the clearly stated points in the OP, you come racing in here to talk about Number23 May 2016 #91
maybe we should do less talk about "connecting" and more talk about money for example, health care Baobab May 2016 #97
I don't really know what you're talking about in this post Number23 May 2016 #99
In the 1990s, the US was instrumental in setting up the WTO, one of the so called Baobab May 2016 #108
And I still don't know what any of that has to do with this OP. Number23 May 2016 #113
I believe there is some lecturing going on here as to why you need to support Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #123
Even Snopes says - false. 840high May 2016 #82
not about the death threats and doxxing. KittyWampus May 2016 #138
Sanders 87%, Trump 6% MisterP May 2016 #3
Thats general election support...NOT PRIMARY UMTerp01 May 2016 #6
ummm retrowire May 2016 #4
+1 kacekwl May 2016 #5
Agreed DarkScholar82 May 2016 #7
Reading comprehension? You should try it. UMTerp01 May 2016 #13
That's how I read it. nt SusanCalvin May 2016 #21
So it's OK if Hillary does the rigging? nt The Far Left May 2016 #30
I don't like any rigging. Are you aware of where you are? nt SusanCalvin May 2016 #37
A safe place to share views I hope The Far Left May 2016 #65
Have people here read this? Baobab May 2016 #70
WTO talk is pretty wonky! The Far Left May 2016 #88
+1 Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #28
+2 Enthusiast May 2016 #10
Yes. "Sanders and his surrogates represent a discomfiting liberal white privilege." Nitram May 2016 #16
Exactly!!! And Black folks saw right through it nt UMTerp01 May 2016 #19
Well, I have only one thing to offer to the "they rigged the system" crowd. NNadir May 2016 #25
wow that's a fucked up opinion you have there. retrowire May 2016 #29
^^^ THIS ^^^. Especially, "I wish they'd go away". Tarheel_Dem May 2016 #50
hmmmm yuiyoshida May 2016 #54
So many things ...but "we have a strong rule of law in this country." truebluegreen May 2016 #64
That pushed my button as well. nt SusanCalvin May 2016 #71
And all that from an (apparently) AA perspective? truebluegreen May 2016 #79
I regularly interact with people from China, India and a number of European countries. NNadir May 2016 #86
My evidence of my claim is the unequal application of our laws truebluegreen May 2016 #111
Well, I'm happy you live in some foreign Nirvana. Which one? NNadir May 2016 #118
I live in a "developing" country, not that that is any of your business. truebluegreen May 2016 #121
^^^This^^^ sheshe2 May 2016 #73
Bernie is against nuclear power, lots of environmentalists are against nuclear power. Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #83
You do realize that Clinton Supports Fracking? Silver_Witch May 2016 #126
Agree. October May 2016 #26
I agree! secondwind May 2016 #33
Can you tell me exactly where in this article anyone mentioned ANYTHING about "pandering" to black Number23 May 2016 #92
There are good reasons why Sanders is not appealing to African American and other voters Gothmog May 2016 #127
Good analysis, imo. Digital Puppy May 2016 #128
I do see the point, and it's a good one. SusanCalvin May 2016 #8
Still trying hard to divide us by color? Bodych May 2016 #9
I'm speaking about a specific issue in the AFRICAN AMERICAN GROUP UMTerp01 May 2016 #11
You are dividing. That's why you brought this stale issue back. Bodych May 2016 #15
You have some nerve talking about issues being raised again and again.... UMTerp01 May 2016 #18
Yes, I have NERVE all right. And your true colors are showing. n/t Bodych May 2016 #20
What true colors? I raise an issue specific to African Americans in the African Americans group UMTerp01 May 2016 #23
Yes we get it, you posted it in the AFRICAN AMERICAN GROUP retrowire May 2016 #31
Divisive how? Because it isn't kissing the Sanders ring? nt UMTerp01 May 2016 #34
No, this isn't about Bernie, as much as you want to make it about him. retrowire May 2016 #44
Its not really division. Its "you guys are late to the party" UMTerp01 May 2016 #48
... But Bernie isn't trying to pander to black folk by pointing out a corrupt system lol retrowire May 2016 #59
No one is accusing him of trying to pander UMTerp01 May 2016 #67
Yes, that's what I read. SusanCalvin May 2016 #74
No ones accusing him of pandering? retrowire May 2016 #75
Not to me. wildeyed May 2016 #60
i told no one to defer to my opinion lol. nt retrowire May 2016 #104
Not ONE BLACK PERSON in this thread has seen it has divisive. Judging by the rec's and the Number23 May 2016 #93
the only people that see it as divisive retrowire May 2016 #106
How the hell is anyone in here "divided?" This is the most racially inclusive forum on this web site Number23 May 2016 #107
but again, and everyone misses this point for some reason... retrowire May 2016 #110
Why in God's name do you keep talking about "pandering?" And how is it possible that you do not Number23 May 2016 #112
"it pits Bernie and his supporters in an opposing stance to AA's" Tarc May 2016 #122
Blocked Member - Long Time Group Disruptor JustAnotherGen May 2016 #114
It's only "divisive" to those coming into the AA Group who are disrupting and trying to divide. Cha May 2016 #132
Are you aware you're in the African American Group? Tarheel_Dem May 2016 #52
You are posting in the African American Group. sheshe2 May 2016 #77
Blocked Member JustAnotherGen May 2016 #117
It's not stale and this is the AA forum. wildeyed May 2016 #57
If you don't like that important issues of race are discussed in the African American group, PLEASE Number23 May 2016 #94
I blocked the poster JustAnotherGen May 2016 #116
"Still trying hard to divide us by color?" That's the go to meme for BS fans Cha May 2016 #131
"Whining"? Wibly May 2016 #12
Yes, whining. Nitram May 2016 #22
perhaps Bern u should have been a member of the Democratic Party Cryptoad May 2016 #14
It is sad to watch Bernie throw away all the amazing gains he made Nitram May 2016 #17
It's wonderful if you win by creating a movement. nt The Far Left May 2016 #35
True. But if "winning" means giving Trump an advantage, I'd say you lost. Nitram May 2016 #38
We give Trump an advantage by having him run against Hillary. nt The Far Left May 2016 #53
whenever anyone uses the "throwing chairs" stupidicus May 2016 #24
At no point have you seen supporters of Bernie Sanders ... Jopin Klobe May 2016 #27
I'm more disturbed that they're using the sabotage of Rev. Jesse Jackson's campaign as their example MisterP May 2016 #43
This is a level of denial that would be disturbing if it was in any way surprising Number23 May 2016 #95
WTF does David Brock have to do with this conversation? wildeyed May 2016 #119
+1000 Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #32
Good for you, UMT ReRe May 2016 #36
In politics, doesn't it feel and work best to go with the candidate that stands up for the issues highprincipleswork May 2016 #39
I really appreciate your very thoughtful response UMTerp01 May 2016 #41
Thank you back. I think it's great we can have a real conversation. Phew! Little bits of highprincipleswork May 2016 #46
yep, that's what makes the author of the OP so laughably dumb or dishonest stupidicus May 2016 #47
Yo, I would suggest care and ease with a fellow Progressive who'e working it out their own reasons highprincipleswork May 2016 #58
if BS can be described/called a "whiner" for his noble efforts stupidicus May 2016 #63
Your posts in this thread are combatively and needlessly antagonistic. Was a nerve touched? Number23 May 2016 #98
"... his noble efforts".. oh Good Grief! Whatever he had went out the window when Cha May 2016 #135
Please step away and do not return to this thread Number23 May 2016 #96
Group Host - Blocked JustAnotherGen May 2016 #115
Nah, it's not the author of the OP who is so "laughably dumb or dishonest". Cha May 2016 #134
Thanks. nt SusanCalvin May 2016 #78
Amazing. beastie boy May 2016 #40
Its like some of them can't help themselves... UMTerp01 May 2016 #45
his hit piece has no point worth considering stupidicus May 2016 #55
Once again, point entirely missed beastie boy May 2016 #61
meaningless garbage stupidicus May 2016 #66
There is one thing worse than ignorance. beastie boy May 2016 #72
Thank you for trying, beastie. That person's proudly antagonistic ignorance is why he's been asked Number23 May 2016 #100
The tone deafness is remarkable, isn't it? mcar May 2016 #109
+1 uponit7771 May 2016 #139
I knew it was a bullshit piece as soon tom_kelly May 2016 #49
We're all devastated you couldn't read the entire piece but astounded by your need to comment Number23 May 2016 #101
Fair point JustAnotherGen May 2016 #120
Que?? Number23 May 2016 #125
From Bernie Sanders Supporters, Death Threats Over Delegates Cha May 2016 #133
I suggest in future you stick (AA Group Posting) in your title, it will save the hosts a lot of..... Tarheel_Dem May 2016 #56
UMT, please listen to white people gwheezie May 2016 #68
Yes, that is what all of this is about, again. Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #84
When have things not been rigged ? JI7 May 2016 #80
Thanks for posting this Digital Puppy May 2016 #87
Yes. fleabiscuit May 2016 #89
I noted that same thing. BS supporters are screaming that no chairs were thrown, or even more Number23 May 2016 #103
Got damn, got damn, GOT DAMN!!!! Number23 May 2016 #90
+1000 liberal N proud May 2016 #102
There's no whining. elleng May 2016 #105
Or you could start your own thread? n/t fleabiscuit May 2016 #124
Excellent idea.. a thread about how burnie doesn't "whine" about how the system is "rigged" Cha May 2016 #136
Ya, his initial snivel jumped the shark to whining twenty-five years ago. fleabiscuit May 2016 #137
Sorry, Cha; elleng May 2016 #141
He's whining, the long shot black guy won with the same system Sanders is losing with right now... uponit7771 May 2016 #140
Yep, he's whining... Cha May 2016 #142
K&R betsuni May 2016 #129
K&R ismnotwasm May 2016 #130
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