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MellowDem

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4. Abrahamic religions are explicitly...

Wed Feb 11, 2015, 06:24 PM

Feb 2015

bigoted, hateful, misogynist, and whether believers choose to ignore that or not doesn't change that fact. You are making another false comparison.

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It would be wrong to expect atheists or antitheists to answer for a murderer who used those labels. [View all] Htom Sirveaux Feb 2015 OP

Clearly some people are very uncomfortable with this subject and they should not be. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #1

I tend to reject false equivalency when I see it. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #9

I don't think it is his atheism. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #11

I think you're right about that, okasha Feb 2015 #21

Agreed! I think his story is an attempt to avoid the death penalty. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #29

I think he has issues across the board. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #27

Fair enough. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #28

I think there's that. F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #73

The best possible outcome here is for detente to be declared. cbayer Feb 2015 #2

I agree with your position on this issue. guillaumeb Feb 2015 #3

Abrahamic religions are explicitly... MellowDem Feb 2015 #4

Do you think that anyone Htom Sirveaux Feb 2015 #5

Definitely... MellowDem Feb 2015 #12

No, what you're doing is saying that all white people should Htom Sirveaux Feb 2015 #14

Nope... MellowDem Feb 2015 #19

"Other privileved people who don't get it." okasha Feb 2015 #39

That's because you have nothing to say... MellowDem Feb 2015 #68

I have plenty to say. okasha Feb 2015 #71

You're saying stuff to me right now... MellowDem Feb 2015 #78

Simplistic, tunnel vision misses a larger picture. Equating theists with the KKK is a cheap shot. pinto Feb 2015 #15

I'm equating bigoted belief systems... MellowDem Feb 2015 #20

That's an entirely different question than the original premise. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #60

I feel a murderer should be held personably responsible if convicted in a court of law. pinto Feb 2015 #6

Where are the ancient atheist texts containing exhortations to violence, part and parcel with AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #7

Religious traditions (including texts) involve interpretation. Htom Sirveaux Feb 2015 #8

I agree. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #10

I'm glad you agree, but then I don't see where I've committed a false equivalency. Htom Sirveaux Feb 2015 #13

Because there's no connection between atheism and any other ideology, violent or not. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #26

Lends credence how? Htom Sirveaux Feb 2015 #33

Because, as I said below, one leads to the other. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #54

How far does this principle go, in your view? Htom Sirveaux Feb 2015 #94

I view it just like the NRA analogy. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #99

"There is no connection between atheism and any other ideology..." thucythucy Feb 2015 #34

What happened to (allegedly) christ? AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #53

If one only considers relevant connections, there is not actually Major Nikon Feb 2015 #97

I see your point, but thucythucy Feb 2015 #106

Show us those "examples" skepticscott Feb 2015 #16

Talk. rug Feb 2015 #18

... Htom Sirveaux Feb 2015 #24

As expected…bullshit skepticscott Feb 2015 #37

Thanks for stopping by. Htom Sirveaux Feb 2015 #38

It is par for the course unfortunately. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #40

Typical hand-waving BS skepticscott Feb 2015 #41

Maybe he was simply in the grip of a delusion. rug Feb 2015 #17

Or intellecual dishonesty or cognitive dissonance. okasha Feb 2015 #22

I bet he was just indoctrinated. rug Feb 2015 #23

What were the websites general message? end all religion by force or argument? hrmjustin Feb 2015 #31

This is one. rug Feb 2015 #42

Thanks looking at it noe. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #43

Charming. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #48

From Reddit: screenshot of his facebook likes rug Feb 2015 #49

Is it true they took down his account? I would like to see what he posted. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #50

Yeah. They got the screenshot from an archive. rug Feb 2015 #51

Well the authorities have it. i just hope they do their job. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #52

Sigh. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #57

Three people were executed. i want to see justice done. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #59

I also want to see justice done. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #61

Fine but I will have my opinion and I think he was motivsted by hate. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #62

You may be right, but, that sort of speculation and the undoubtable 24x7 AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #63

I am not going to taint the jury pool. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #64

In that case, hope you interpreted the facts correctly. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #65

Time will tell and we may never know. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #66

Everyone who pays taxes to support libraries that carry okasha Feb 2015 #36

I am waiting for the "No True Atheist" defense. TM99 Feb 2015 #44

It's a dead heat between that and "It was about a parking spot". rug Feb 2015 #45

Denial is a very strong psychological defense. TM99 Feb 2015 #47

Neither the hand-waving in this thread okasha Feb 2015 #55

Is it prejudice when the guy who these three religions claim as their founder was a monster? Humanist_Activist Feb 2015 #25

I understand that atheism is not functionally equivalent to an entire religion. Htom Sirveaux Feb 2015 #30

While I, in general, agree that individuals are not responsible for the actions of others... Humanist_Activist Feb 2015 #32

I don't like interpretations of religious texts that justify violence either. Htom Sirveaux Feb 2015 #35

Its not so much interpretation as it is what you decide to selectively focus on... Humanist_Activist Feb 2015 #46

Feel free to reinterpolate Deut. 7.1-2; 20.16-18 into something other than god-mandated violence. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #58

Those passages claim that the Canaanites should be destroyed because Htom Sirveaux Feb 2015 #92

I have no idea what the fuck you are trying to say. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #96

I'm describing the infamous cherry-picking. Htom Sirveaux Feb 2015 #98

Not really, no. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #100

Your original comparison was a straw man. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #56

This sure made the hive fucking angry. Leontius Feb 2015 #67

"The hive"? trotsky Feb 2015 #69

Yes some people are clearly not handling this well and it shows. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #70

If by "not handling well" gcomeau Feb 2015 #79

No I mean by not handling it well. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #83

I was extending the benefit of the doubt... gcomeau Feb 2015 #86

I maybe many things but dishonest is not one of them. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #87

Excellent decision. Stick with it. cbayer Feb 2015 #88

I will. My tolerance level for the personal stuff is very low after the past 24 hours. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #91

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You know, words that other people type are noy necessarily the words you see. rug Feb 2015 #95

Your characterization of respondents to this OP suggests otherwise. -eom gcomeau Feb 2015 #90

It must sting. rug Feb 2015 #72

They are people of inherent worth and dignity, not insects. Htom Sirveaux Feb 2015 #84

I agree with this and am glad that you said it. cbayer Feb 2015 #89

But of course you couldn't bring yourself skepticscott Feb 2015 #109

You are right people are of inherent worth and dignity Leontius Feb 2015 #103

Thank you, Htom. trotsky Feb 2015 #110

Hate is the cause of violence and no one is immune no matter how smug. mmonk Feb 2015 #74

That's not a difference. Anyone can find words that can justify their position. cbayer Feb 2015 #75

Well, you got the thread title right at least... gcomeau Feb 2015 #76

+1000 n/t trotsky Feb 2015 #77

You completely missed my point about differing interpretations. Htom Sirveaux Feb 2015 #82

I didn't even slightly miss that point. gcomeau Feb 2015 #85

I'm saying you shouldn't suspect a person of being Htom Sirveaux Feb 2015 #101

Would it be wrong to expect LGBT activist to answer for a murderer who advocated for Warren Stupidity Feb 2015 #80

Yes. Htom Sirveaux Feb 2015 #81

+100 okasha Feb 2015 #102

Sorry, bullshit skepticscott Feb 2015 #104

and atheists had Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot as Not True Atheists ..... kwassa Feb 2015 #105

I challenge you to quote any atheists skepticscott Feb 2015 #108

This is the point on which your thesis fails. kwassa Feb 2015 #111

In other words, your claim skepticscott Feb 2015 #112

It's not OK either way; but I've seen both done LeftishBrit Feb 2015 #107