Religion
In reply to the discussion: This message was self-deleted by its author [View all]cpwm17
(3,829 posts)unless you believe your god had a creator. Then where did your god's creator come from?
You have the same problem of original creation, and you've created a much worse problem: how did this almost infinitely purposefully-complex critter get here?
My starting point is dumb matter and energy. Your starting point is an almost infinitely purposefully-complex critter with magical powers. We also have no evidence for your invisible magic-critter or however you define your god.
No matter what view of reality you believe in, whether scientific or not, there is a reality that exists that didn't create itself. The scientific view is to simplify things down to their basic processes going back in time: the more complex comes from the less complex. The religious view is the complex is explained by the even more complex, which is explained by magic.