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Creation [View all] Angry Dragon Aug 2016 OP
The Fall exboyfil Aug 2016 #1
A whole arm, leg, branch of theology is dedicated to understanding your question TexasProgresive Aug 2016 #2
Theo-idiocy. NT. Warren Stupidity Aug 2016 #5
Exactly cleanhippie Aug 2016 #9
That is how my mind's eye... 3catwoman3 Aug 2016 #66
You mean a whole arm is dedicated to making it what they want it to mean. cleanhippie Aug 2016 #8
These people cilla4progress Aug 2016 #59
But ale does more than Milton can rogerashton Aug 2016 #101
Perfection is a false goal. Jerry442 Aug 2016 #3
There is nothing about this universe that requires Warren Stupidity Aug 2016 #4
I have other questions Angry Dragon Aug 2016 #6
A) nothing. B) it is the expansion. Warren Stupidity Aug 2016 #10
these seem like weak answers Angry Dragon Aug 2016 #13
Sometimes reality doesn't meet our expectations. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2016 #23
It isn't expanding "into" anything, all of space is expanding. Warren Stupidity Aug 2016 #45
That's where a lot of confusion over origins comes from. trotsky Aug 2016 #50
Why? Exactly what is weak about them? whatthehey Aug 2016 #52
Those are great questions that should be asked. Religion isn't going to answer them though. cleanhippie Aug 2016 #11
most organised religions already feel they already have all the answers Angry Dragon Aug 2016 #14
Feynman said it best, I think pokerfan Aug 2016 #19
The most sophisticated believers realized the inherent contradiction in this long ago... trotsky Aug 2016 #7
Free will. guillaumeb Aug 2016 #12
it would seem there are no wrong choices Angry Dragon Aug 2016 #15
Who determines wrongness? guillaumeb Aug 2016 #16
Do people have free will in heaven? n/t trotsky Aug 2016 #17
When I get there I will walk over and let you know. guillaumeb Aug 2016 #18
His question isn't flippant. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2016 #25
If a person/intelligence/entity has free will at birth, guillaumeb Aug 2016 #31
Is it also "reasonable to assume" that since we are told that suffering is a necessary consequence.. trotsky Aug 2016 #46
Suffering is a vague term. guillaumeb Aug 2016 #49
Actually free will is all about choices made. trotsky Aug 2016 #51
I cannot answer because I am living in the material world. guillaumeb Aug 2016 #53
Wow, so free will is restricted in heaven? trotsky Aug 2016 #54
Here is/was my previous answer to your question: guillaumeb Aug 2016 #57
Because my question was: "So is free will limited in heaven?" trotsky Aug 2016 #60
You apparently misread my answer. guillaumeb Aug 2016 #61
Yes obviously I must have misread the words that you put in your post. trotsky Aug 2016 #65
So what? Act_of_Reparation Aug 2016 #24
You are confusing (or conflating) free will with freedom to shop. guillaumeb Aug 2016 #32
No, you're just being intentionally obtuse about it. cleanhippie Aug 2016 #39
And yet you use your choice (free will) to buy an IPhone Leontius Aug 2016 #67
OH HAI LEO! Act_of_Reparation Aug 2016 #69
Hey he makes lots of snarky comments directed at atheists on the Internet. trotsky Aug 2016 #70
Your lack of understanding is forgiven Leontius Aug 2016 #71
THX BUDDY Act_of_Reparation Aug 2016 #72
I choose to be born edhopper Aug 2016 #28
What if we substitute the word "flaw" for sin? guillaumeb Aug 2016 #34
flaws a plenty edhopper Aug 2016 #36
Original sin was about rejecting the Creator's injunction. guillaumeb Aug 2016 #48
Still kind of abhorrent, don't you think? Act_of_Reparation Aug 2016 #64
That was not how we raised our children. eom guillaumeb Aug 2016 #75
nah edhopper Aug 2016 #83
Adam and Eve are archetypes. guillaumeb Aug 2016 #84
I am dim then edhopper Aug 2016 #85
"The bible is clear" trotsky Aug 2016 #89
What do you see as sin? guillaumeb Aug 2016 #91
sin to me is edhopper Aug 2016 #104
Behaving badly. guillaumeb Aug 2016 #106
it is generally accepted edhopper Aug 2016 #107
That varies by sect: guillaumeb Aug 2016 #108
no, not really? edhopper Aug 2016 #109
How many ways can the Bible be interpreted? Many ways. guillaumeb Aug 2016 #111
I still don't understand this: edhopper Aug 2016 #113
And if this statement represents your view I understand guillaumeb Aug 2016 #115
that's fair edhopper Aug 2016 #116
I can give a declarative statement. guillaumeb Aug 2016 #117
thanks for that clarification nt edhopper Aug 2016 #118
See Augustine. Sex is the main event. Bad bad dirty dirty! Warren Stupidity Aug 2016 #88
Lol. I can see you believe that, but that doesn't make it true. cleanhippie Aug 2016 #38
Still doesn't explain a universe full of suffering that is mostly incompatible... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #40
What is this free will that you speak of? cpwm17 Aug 2016 #63
If I accepted your argument, which I do not, guillaumeb Aug 2016 #74
My position is a major argument against torture cpwm17 Aug 2016 #77
I have no idea. They just erupted from my fingers onto the keyboard. guillaumeb Aug 2016 #78
If we had free will, we would be able to explain where our thoughts came from. cpwm17 Aug 2016 #79
The corrollary to that is you can predict what you will do tomorrow. rug Aug 2016 #80
Through a feelings driven process, you can plan your tomorrow. cpwm17 Aug 2016 #81
How much of what happens in the brain relates to automatic functions? guillaumeb Aug 2016 #82
Ultimately, all decisions are outside of consciousness. cpwm17 Aug 2016 #86
Well, "free will" really does become a matter of faith for Christians, since... trotsky Aug 2016 #90
I think that unless we know exactly how our brain works, guillaumeb Aug 2016 #92
It's not at all random. cpwm17 Aug 2016 #93
Some random comments: guillaumeb Aug 2016 #94
"The decision to eat potatoes or carrots is deliberately made." trotsky Aug 2016 #95
Who or what made you respond? guillaumeb Aug 2016 #98
No, you made a claim. trotsky Aug 2016 #120
Each and every decision you make, where did they come from? cpwm17 Aug 2016 #97
Prove to my satisfaction that you exist. guillaumeb Aug 2016 #99
Artificial intelligence hasn't advanced with the ability to write what I write, cpwm17 Aug 2016 #100
The Turing test. guillaumeb Aug 2016 #102
Some people, including some scientists, think that consciousness cpwm17 Aug 2016 #103
And if consciousness appears with any sufficiently complex brain, guillaumeb Aug 2016 #105
I notice that I didn't complete my thoughts above. cpwm17 Aug 2016 #110
I might agree that the conscious part of the brain depends of course on guillaumeb Aug 2016 #112
Neurology is not finding much evidence of this alleged free will. Warren Stupidity Aug 2016 #87
Being an asshole, God placed the Tree of Knowledge where he knew Adam would eat immoderate Aug 2016 #20
they just blame it on the woman Angry Dragon Aug 2016 #21
She had no choice either. All part of God's nefarious plan. immoderate Aug 2016 #22
A question about God edhopper Aug 2016 #26
If allowing people to make choices is evil, this might make sense. guillaumeb Aug 2016 #33
which assumes edhopper Aug 2016 #37
Not all evil is human whatthehey Aug 2016 #56
Your questions seem to assume that creation is something guillaumeb Aug 2016 #58
So which omni is BS? whatthehey Aug 2016 #62
If you believe in a Creator, guillaumeb Aug 2016 #73
... trotsky Aug 2016 #76
+1 for Epicurus True Dough Aug 2016 #55
Here is an interesting video exboyfil Aug 2016 #27
I've wondered why this all-knowing God didn't know enough to create a female counterpart bulloney Aug 2016 #29
Your last sentence: guillaumeb Aug 2016 #35
That seems to be a stretch, particularly since, technically, female is the "default" for... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #41
Oh you and your facts. trotsky Aug 2016 #47
You notice that when man started understaning edhopper Aug 2016 #42
I'm sorry but... pokerfan Aug 2016 #43
It's all just fairy tales grubbs Aug 2016 #30
Since there is no obvious other candidate world to compare to this world, struggle4progress Aug 2016 #44
Your question is unclear. DetlefK Aug 2016 #68
perfect would be no flaws Angry Dragon Aug 2016 #96
That definition doesn't really help. DetlefK Aug 2016 #114
This is a common philosophical paradox. Oneironaut Aug 2016 #119
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