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In reply to the discussion: "Proof" (?) of an afterlife [View all]cpwm17
(3,829 posts)92. Throughout history
people have often made assumptions that what they know exists in nature is all there is in nature. When it can be proven otherwise, they are always proven wrong.
The Catholic Church took it too seriously:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giordano_Bruno
Giordano Bruno (Italian: [dʒorˈdano ˈbruno]; Latin: Iordanus Brunus Nolanus; 1548 17 February 1600), born Filippo Bruno, was an Italian Dominican friar, philosopher, mathematician, poet, and astrologer. He is remembered for his cosmological theories, which conceptually extended the then novel Copernican model. He proposed that the stars were just distant suns surrounded by their own exoplanets and raised the possibility that these planets could even foster life of their own (a philosophical position known as cosmic pluralism). He also insisted that the universe is in fact infinite and could have no celestial body at its "center".
Beginning in 1593, Bruno was tried for heresy by the Roman Inquisition on charges including denial of several core Catholic doctrines, including eternal damnation, the Trinity, the divinity of Christ, the virginity of Mary, and transubstantiation. Bruno's pantheism was also a matter of grave concern. The Inquisition found him guilty, and he was burned at the stake in Rome's Campo de' Fiori in 1600.
Beginning in 1593, Bruno was tried for heresy by the Roman Inquisition on charges including denial of several core Catholic doctrines, including eternal damnation, the Trinity, the divinity of Christ, the virginity of Mary, and transubstantiation. Bruno's pantheism was also a matter of grave concern. The Inquisition found him guilty, and he was burned at the stake in Rome's Campo de' Fiori in 1600.
What we know exists in Universe has gotten consistently larger. What we know is possible to exist has always been proven to here in great quantity. But based on the dogma of many, we should ignore silly issues concerning the possibilities of there being more beyond our know existence.
Giordano Bruno had no direct scientific evidence for a huge Universe, but he was using good logic and reasoning. He should have been listened to.
Until recently, a dominant view was that our Universe is all that there is and all of existence started at the Big Bang. That's nonsense that I have always found annoying. Fortunately that view is fading. Just because it's impossible, at least at present, to know what's beyond our Universe doesn't mean it's not reasonable to assume there's more.
I'm making reasonable assumptions concerning time and a greater existence beyond our own. From what I find reasonable assumptions, I have some logical reasoning why our current conscious experience isn't all there is.
I don't claim to have proof nor do I think any harm, such as hell, should come to those that think differently. I find the subject interesting since it touches on the nature of consciousness, which science finds very difficult to understand.
I think there is a good chance that our Universe is infinite in size. All evidence is that it is flat, which means space extends forever.
Nothing here is provable. I make what I consider reasonable points which lead me to think I have the preponderance of evidence. I have taken up the burden of providing evidence. That isn't the same as me making those with different opinions having the burden of proof.
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Thanks for the reply. I agree that is possible, but if it is inevitable we will return, is it also
Doodley
Oct 2016
#14
And the chances of getting the correct number on all 100 roles of dice would be far greater
cpwm17
Oct 2016
#57
You keep trying to put the burden of proof on others for disproving your reincarnation theory
Major Nikon
Oct 2016
#91
Much as I'd like to live on forever after I die, writing a book just seems like too much work.
stone space
Oct 2016
#12
It is only unverifiable if we cannot confirm that we are not already in an afterlife.
Doodley
Oct 2016
#15
Even then it's still unverifiable because you can't confirm the after-afterlife
Major Nikon
Oct 2016
#16
No you can't, but can you confirm that our existence now is life or the afterlife?
Doodley
Oct 2016
#34
You haven't made any logical arguments against the possibility of conscious minds returning.
cpwm17
Oct 2016
#61
I feel no obligation to disprove something that was never proven to begin with. YMMV.
Major Nikon
Oct 2016
#63
And yet you proceed to compare it to other processes in nature as if it were a thing
Major Nikon
Oct 2016
#69
And yet you are claiming your "conscious-self" not only can but has transcended your physical being
Major Nikon
Oct 2016
#74
I have no evidence that my conscious-self is attach to any particular atoms in my body
cpwm17
Oct 2016
#75
You acknowledge "conscious-self" isn't a thing, yet base your premise on its transposition
Major Nikon
Oct 2016
#78
I'm not claiming any position is the "default", which is where you are confused
Major Nikon
Oct 2016
#94
What is consciousness? We can build computers but know very little about the human
Doodley
Oct 2016
#85
Music isn't a "thing." It is neither only soundwaves or perception. Can it be transposed? Yes.
Doodley
Oct 2016
#84
You are the one who made the claim. I am just asking you can back-up your claim.
Doodley
Oct 2016
#60
My "claim" was that any mention of an afterlife is conveniently unverifiable
Major Nikon
Oct 2016
#62
You wouldn't anymore than you'd recognize you are alive. Similarly, there is a theory that
Doodley
Oct 2016
#35
my proof is in the first part............. I just suggested The Shack for your enjoyment
Angry Dragon
Oct 2016
#40
Energy can neither be created nor destroyed; rather, it transforms from one form to another.
still_one
Oct 2016
#30