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9. Mark Twain had much to say on the subject of peace and religion:
Mon Mar 27, 2017, 12:42 AM
Mar 2017
The War Prayer
by Mark Twain
1904

It was a time of great and exalting excitement. The country was up in arms, the war was on, in every breast burned the holy fire of patriotism; the drums were beating, the bands playing, the toy pistols popping, the bunched firecrackers hissing and sputtering; on every hand and far down the receding and fading spreads of roofs and balconies a fluttering wilderness of flags flashed in the sun; daily the young volunteers marched down the wide avenue gay and fine in their new uniforms, the proud fathers and mothers and sisters and sweethearts cheering them with voices choked with happy emotion as they swung by; nightly the packed mass meetings listened, panting, to patriot oratory which stirred the deepest deeps of their hearts and which they interrupted at briefest intervals with cyclones of applause, the tears running down their cheeks the while; in the churches the pastors preached devotion to flag and country and invoked the God of Battles, beseeching His aid in our good cause in outpouring of fervid eloquence which moved every listener.

It was indeed a glad and gracious time, and the half dozen rash spirits that ventured to disapprove of the war and cast a doubt upon its righteousness straightway got such a stern and angry warning that for their personal safety's sake they quickly shrank out of sight and offended no more in that way.

Sunday morning came – next day the battalions would leave for the front; the church was filled; the volunteers were there, their faces alight with material dreams-visions of a stern advance, the gathering momentum, the rushing charge, the flashing sabers, the flight of the foe, the tumult, the enveloping smoke, the fierce pursuit, the surrender! – then home from the war, bronzed heros, welcomed, adored, submerged in golden seas of glory! With the volunteers sat their dear ones, proud, happy, and envied by the neighbors and friends who had no sons and brothers to send forth to the field of honor, there to win for the flag or, failing, die the noblest of noble deaths. The service proceeded; a war chapter from the Old Testament was read; the first prayer was said; it was followed by an organ burst that shook the building, and with one impulse the house rose, with glowing eyes and beating hearts, and poured out that tremendous invocation – "God the all-terrible! Thou who ordainest, Thunder thy clarion and lightning thy sword!"

Then came the "long" prayer. None could remember the like of it for passionate pleading and moving and beautiful language. The burden of its supplication was that an ever – merciful and benignant Father of us all would watch over our noble young soldiers and aid, comfort, and encourage them in their patriotic work; bless them, shield them in His mighty hand, make them strong and confident, invincible in the bloody onset; help them to crush the foe, grant to them and to their flag and country imperishable honor and glory.

An aged stranger entered and moved with slow and noiseless step up the main aisle, his eyes fixed upon the minister, his long body clothed in a robe that reached to his feet, his head bare, his white hair descending in a frothy cataract to his shoulders, his seamy face unnaturally pale, pale even to ghastliness. With all eyes following him and wondering, he made his silent way; without pausing, he ascended to the preacher's side and stood there, waiting.

With shut lids the preacher, unconscious of his presence, continued his moving prayer, and at last finished it with the words, uttered in fervent appeal,"Bless our arms, grant us the victory, O Lord our God, Father and Protector of our land and flag!"

The stranger touched his arm, motioned him to step aside – which the startled minister did – and took his place. During some moments he surveyed the spellbound audience with solemn eyes in which burned an uncanny light; then in a deep voice he said

"I come from the Throne – bearing a message from Almighty God!" The words smote the house with a shock; if the stranger perceived it he gave no attention. "He has heard the prayer of His servant your shepherd and grant it if such shall be your desire after I, His messenger, shall have explained to you its import – that is to say, its full import. For it is like unto many of the prayers of men, in that it asks for more than he who utters it is aware of – except he pause and think.

"God's servant and yours has prayed his prayer. Has he paused and taken thought? Is it one prayer? No, it is two – one uttered, the other not. Both have reached the ear of His Who hearth all supplications, the spoken and the unspoken. Ponder this – keep it in mind. If you beseech a blessing upon yourself, beware! lest without intent you invoke a curse upon a neighbor at the same time. If you pray for the blessing of rain upon your crop which needs it, by that act you are possibly praying for a curse upon some neighbor's crop which may not need rain and can be injured by it.

"You have heard your servant's prayer – the uttered part of it. I am commissioned by God to put into words the other part of it – that part which the pastor, and also you in your hearts, fervently prayed silently. And ignorantly and unthinkingly? God grant that it was so! You heard these words: 'Grant us the victory, O Lord our God!' That is sufficient. The whole of the uttered prayer is compact into those pregnant words. Elaborations were not necessary. When you have prayed for victory you have prayed for many unmentioned results which follow victory – must follow it, cannot help but follow it. Upon the listening spirit of God the Father fell also the unspoken part of the prayer. He commandeth me to put it into words. Listen!

"O Lord our Father, our young patriots, idols of our hearts, go forth to battle – be Thou near them! With them, in spirit, we also go forth from the sweet peace of our beloved firesides to smite the foe. O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with their little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it – for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.

"Ye have prayed it; if ye still desire it, speak! The messenger of the Most High waits."

It was believed afterward that the man was a lunatic, because there was no sense in what he said.


I don't believe much has changed since Twain wrote that, in fact aren't Republicans trying to start another holy war egged on by the religious right?

Trump's Inaugural Address: A Call for Holy War
by Kevin Gosztola

President Donald Trump used his inaugural address to call for the “civilized world” to unite “against radical Islamic terrorism, which we will eradicate completely from the face of the Earth.” It received one of the most enthusiastic responses from the crowd in attendance at the National Mall.

The words evoked memory of President George W. Bush and his administration. After the September 11th attacks, Bush referred to the “war on terrorism” as a “crusade.” It suggested the Bush administration meant to fight terrorism as a kind of holy war against Muslims.

Trump did not use the word “crusade,” but there was a distinct Christian theocratic theme to his gung ho declaration to “reinforce old alliances and form new ones” in the fight against “radical Islamic terrorism.”

“At the bedrock of our politics will be a total allegiance to the United States of America, and through our loyalty to our country, we will rediscover our loyalty to each other,” Trump said.

Immediately after pining for a newfound commitment to war, he added, “When you open your heart to patriotism, there is no room for prejudice. The Bible tells us, ‘how good and pleasant it is when God’s people live together in unity.'”

More:

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2017/01/21/trumps-inaugural-address-call-holy-war

To me, that's bad news. DavidDvorkin Mar 2017 #1
Glass half full versus glass half empty? eom guillaumeb Mar 2017 #12
No, it's bad news that it's so high DavidDvorkin Mar 2017 #20
Can't say I agree -nt Bradical79 Mar 2017 #2
Quick questions: Lordquinton Mar 2017 #3
Henry Dawkins for the first two. rug Mar 2017 #4
That's a real stretch Lordquinton Mar 2017 #5
Post removed Post removed Mar 2017 #6
Your first post in a week and it's a personal attack? Lordquinton Mar 2017 #7
Oh I think we can do better. For instance wasn't the first slave ship named after Jesus? beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #8
Mark Twain had much to say on the subject of peace and religion: beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #9
That's a good, and overlooked point Lordquinton Mar 2017 #10
I thought about that too but for eight years we made it clear we weren't in a holy war with Islam. beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #16
That is true. Lordquinton Mar 2017 #17
LIKE pangaia Mar 2017 #36
:) beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #45
Do you subscribe to the "great man" theory of history? guillaumeb Mar 2017 #13
Many slaveholders were religious Lordquinton Mar 2017 #15
Except religious abolitionists went against their own holy book when they opposed slavery. beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #18
I follow the New Testament. eom guillaumeb Mar 2017 #25
Was slavery forbidden in the New Testament? beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #46
Fit the concept into "Do unto others" and you tell me. eom guillaumeb Mar 2017 #54
If that was such an important concept why did so many Christians support slavery? beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #57
If you ask me my personal opinion on these issues, guillaumeb Mar 2017 #58
Yes - but again said atheists aren't citing a holy book to support those positions. beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #61
Absurd is one word. Sad is another. eom guillaumeb Mar 2017 #66
They cite the holy book of profit and loss and progress HopeAgain Mar 2017 #101
Oh? We have a holy book? And what's this 'atheist bible' called? beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #107
You are painting all people with faith with a broad brush... HopeAgain Mar 2017 #109
Really? Quoting the bible is "attacking faith" and stating facts is "stereotyping" people? beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #111
Most Christians do not take everything in the Bible literally or apply ancient laws to modern life.. HopeAgain Mar 2017 #113
Since I never actually said that you're using a straw man. beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #114
Taking the specific and generalizing it to the whole.. HopeAgain Mar 2017 #123
Didn't I ask you to stop misrepresenting my posts? beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #128
A large number of athiest HopeAgain Mar 2017 #132
A large number of theists do the same every weekend in church. beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #134
And we need to remember how HopeAgain Mar 2017 #135
More logical fallacies? beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #136
Wow, what a blind spot... HopeAgain Mar 2017 #137
Cite your source please. beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #138
And how many different interpretations are there for these?: beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #112
Straw Argument HopeAgain Mar 2017 #143
Again - not a straw man since you suggested there were different interpretations. beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #144
Interesting. I googled your religious "scholar" and it appears I was correct. beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #145
You are going to believe what you want to believe HopeAgain Mar 2017 #149
This isn't about belief, it's about facts and history -apologists distort both to pimp their agenda. beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #152
So to sum it all up HopeAgain Mar 2017 #155
Not quite but we're getting there. beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #156
"Slaves, obey your masters": Paul, in the New Teatament Bretton Garcia Apr 2017 #158
Matt 10:34 NeoGreen Mar 2017 #102
Define metaphor. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #105
And apply that definition too... NeoGreen Mar 2017 #108
There are literalists, and not-literalists. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #116
Piffle... NeoGreen Mar 2017 #119
In that vein, guillaumeb Mar 2017 #122
You prove my point... NeoGreen Mar 2017 #125
"But religion is a force for great good." Act_of_Reparation Mar 2017 #11
Patriotism can also be a force for good, guillaumeb Mar 2017 #14
I assume you're trying to make some sort of point here. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2017 #22
The point is that people justify what they do by saying that they are following a code of behavior. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #26
But you can't point to line and verse in the patriot book Lordquinton Mar 2017 #31
I can point to the Monroe Doctrine, guillaumeb Mar 2017 #32
So what book are they pointing to in the writing of those documents? Lordquinton Mar 2017 #33
I am not Monroe or Carter. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #37
So you can't support your claims? Lordquinton Mar 2017 #43
If you are familiar with the Monroe and Carter Doctrines, guillaumeb Mar 2017 #53
Ok but... Lordquinton Mar 2017 #63
I'm pretty familiar with it. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2017 #72
And in an atheistic society like Russia or China, guillaumeb Mar 2017 #78
Russia is an "atheistic society"? Act_of_Reparation Mar 2017 #83
Thank you for your response. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #84
That's a fairly audacious deployment of snark given how egregiously wrong you are. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2017 #99
[ Citation Required ] AtheistCrusader Mar 2017 #103
[ Clarification of meaning required ] guillaumeb Mar 2017 #106
Please provide an example of nationalism being a 'good thing'. AtheistCrusader Mar 2017 #110
I leave that to each individual. eom guillaumeb Mar 2017 #117
But you made a claim... and you refuse to support it? AtheistCrusader Mar 2017 #140
If you insist, guillaumeb Mar 2017 #141
MIGHT be an example of nationalism. Not all soldiers do so. AtheistCrusader Mar 2017 #146
Ohh..ohh...May I play?... NeoGreen Mar 2017 #120
Nicey done. AtheistCrusader Mar 2017 #139
Thanks, and classifying people as the 'other' also works for... NeoGreen Mar 2017 #150
Why isn't slavery forbidden in the ten commandments? beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #19
Proving that people can quote excerpts from the Old Testament. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #27
That is actually not what was said Lordquinton Mar 2017 #35
But it was a point that I wished to make. eom guillaumeb Mar 2017 #38
You wanted to make an unrelated point? Lordquinton Mar 2017 #44
Straw man. Please show me where I discussed and/or determined their motivation. beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #47
I make no such claims. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #55
False equivalency. There is no holy book instructing atheists to enslave, torture and murder people. beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #59
If any wish to whitewash history here I will join you. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #60
And I focus on religion's victims because they're often ignored when people discuss the good news. beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #64
Very true. eom guillaumeb Mar 2017 #67
Those who decry harsh religious beliefs always need to look closer to home. gordianot Mar 2017 #34
Indeed. beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #48
Correct gordianot Mar 2017 #49
One of those so called bathroom bills just failed in Tennessee. beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #50
For the most part religion has been a positive force in my life. hrmjustin Mar 2017 #21
Mine also. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #28
The good news, as you say, is when that faith Htom Sirveaux Mar 2017 #23
True. Very true. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #29
All faith is logically arrogance Bretton Garcia Mar 2017 #24
Faith is about belief. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #30
or is it about suspending disbelief JenniferJuniper Mar 2017 #39
Or is it.......... guillaumeb Mar 2017 #40
It's not just believing in something that cannot be "proven" JenniferJuniper Mar 2017 #41
And that huge difference in our viewpoints is understood. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #42
We were often told to believe. And not to ask for proofs Bretton Garcia Mar 2017 #69
Metaphoric lobotomies? guillaumeb Mar 2017 #70
Jesuit schools ARE better than Catechism class. Bretton Garcia Mar 2017 #73
The last shall be first: guillaumeb Mar 2017 #79
In that case? Bretton Garcia Mar 2017 #100
Going back to scientific illiteracy: guillaumeb Mar 2017 #104
Paul and Jesus twisted the Old Testament into spiritual metaphors Bretton Garcia Mar 2017 #148
Consider the circumstances. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #153
But? These hells were real. Physical. Bretton Garcia Apr 2017 #157
But the vision of what constitutes hell is changeable. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #159
But the notion of a miserable place is core? Bretton Garcia Apr 2017 #160
The physical misery is mainly metaphorical. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #161
To your mind, did God create anything physical at all? Bretton Garcia Apr 2017 #162
The Creator created. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #163
In my reading, "hell" is short for "sheol." Which stood for the underground. Bretton Garcia Apr 2017 #164
Interersting questions. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #168
Where is your evidence for that statement? trotsky Apr 2017 #166
I was asked what my view was. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #169
You made it as a statement of fact, when it is absolutely not. trotsky Apr 2017 #171
In an opinion piece, one can expect to read opinions. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #172
Awesome. another quote for me to clip and save. trotsky Apr 2017 #173
Good news? Religion has been the cause of murder, torture, wars, oppression The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2017 #51
Yeah, along with greed, anger, jealousy and megalomania.. whathehell Mar 2017 #52
An excellent answer. eom guillaumeb Mar 2017 #56
This message was self-deleted by its author ymetca Mar 2017 #62
There is oppression being committed by the nominally atheistic rulers in Russia. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #68
False equivalency. They may BE atheists but they don't do it in the name of atheism. AtheistCrusader Mar 2017 #71
What can you know of their actual motivation? guillaumeb Mar 2017 #80
Two reasons. AtheistCrusader Mar 2017 #86
Perhaps they hide their motivation. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #89
Well, I'm not a mind reader, but I see no reason to think, for the additional reasons I outlined, AtheistCrusader Mar 2017 #92
Wait. What? Act_of_Reparation Mar 2017 #75
Good point. I assumed he was referring to the Soviet era. AtheistCrusader Mar 2017 #87
You mean oppression carried out by the Orthodox rulers Lordquinton Mar 2017 #76
You should keep up - Putin and the ROC are responsible for oppressing lgbt people in Russia. beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #115
From your source: guillaumeb Mar 2017 #118
Ah the return of the No True Scotsman. beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #121
The article you posted proves nothing of the sort. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #124
It's proof that religious leaders are responsible for anti-lgbt discrimination in Russia. beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #126
Clearly these videos are proof guillaumeb Mar 2017 #127
Does the Pope go to interfaith services claiming to be a devout Jew or Muslim? Act_of_Reparation Mar 2017 #130
No they're proof that both men pray and accept communion just like other theists. beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #131
On balance... Snackshack Mar 2017 #65
Would I rather live in a secular country edhopper Mar 2017 #74
"We hold these truths to be self evident....." guillaumeb Mar 2017 #81
Yes, it always has been edhopper Mar 2017 #85
I believe that there is much distance between ideal and practice. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #88
And do you think any country edhopper Mar 2017 #90
Any type of theocracy would not be my preferred country. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #91
So whether edhopper Mar 2017 #93
Good and evil both exist in the actions of people. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #94
and the gods edhopper Mar 2017 #95
Perhaps the Creator feels that free will is what is meant by guillaumeb Mar 2017 #96
I am told edhopper Mar 2017 #97
I certainly cannot. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #98
Religion can be a force for great good radical noodle Mar 2017 #77
I agree. Nuance is appreciated. eom guillaumeb Mar 2017 #82
The only time religion is good is when BigRig Mar 2017 #129
I disagree, but welcome to DU. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #133
Does the following reflect your sentiment?... NeoGreen Mar 2017 #142
Close BigRig Mar 2017 #147
Men are at the forefront of the "pissing-while-standing"-movement. DetlefK Mar 2017 #151
But who decides what is considered more influential? eom guillaumeb Mar 2017 #154
One doesn't really need to "search" for bad things religious people do. trotsky Apr 2017 #165
Exactly what I AM doing. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #167
You're doing part of it. trotsky Apr 2017 #170
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