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In reply to the discussion: March 25 good news: 84 percent of the world population has faith........ [View all]beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)128. Didn't I ask you to stop misrepresenting my posts?
It was never argued that everything in the bible was corrector moral or that religion has at times, played a good role. So maybe the straw man thing works both ways.
Since I never accused the op of claiming "everything in the bible was corrector moral or that religion has at times, played a good role. " by definition I'm not using a straw man.
But that is what generalizing is-- taking the bad instances and paint it broadly to imply that religion is a bad force over all. You are generalizing from the specific.
How am I generalizing? I've asked you to point it out in my posts once and you ignored me.
Again quoting the bible and stating facts is not stereotyping or generalizing - one's dislike of well known facts is not proof of intolerance.
Kinda like the way people attack Black Lives Matter and the anti-Muslim web sites argue for a Muslim Ban.
False equivalency: again no one is attacking faith or stereotyping believers. Posting excerpts from the bible isn't an attack on religion and pointing out religious hypocrisy isn't an attack of people of faith. Citing facts in a debate is not intolerance, it's how you prove your claim.
Your post with the "so many" underlined is exactly that, whether you want to see what I am saying as a straw man argument or not.
How is pointing out that so many Christians supported slavery "generalizing"?
How is pointing out that so many support laws making women and lgbt people second class citizens "generalizing"?
How is pointing out that so many Christians support the death penalty "generalizing"?
How is pointing out that so many Christians still thrill at the thought of holy war with Islam "generalizing"?
I used the term many as a qualifier - you know instead of saying all like you claimed at first or most like you're claiming now. That's called moving the goalposts.
Here is the dictionary definition of many:
a large number of
So let's recap: specifying many is different than claiming all or most Christians support those positions.
Stating a large number of Christians support those positions isn't an attack - it's a fact.
Please stop misrepresenting my posts so you can knock down straw man arguments instead of addressing my points, I'm getting tired of repeating myself and posting definitions of simple terms.
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March 25 good news: 84 percent of the world population has faith........ [View all]
guillaumeb
Mar 2017
OP
Oh I think we can do better. For instance wasn't the first slave ship named after Jesus?
beam me up scottie
Mar 2017
#8
I thought about that too but for eight years we made it clear we weren't in a holy war with Islam.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2017
#16
Except religious abolitionists went against their own holy book when they opposed slavery.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2017
#18
If that was such an important concept why did so many Christians support slavery?
beam me up scottie
Mar 2017
#57
Yes - but again said atheists aren't citing a holy book to support those positions.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2017
#61
Really? Quoting the bible is "attacking faith" and stating facts is "stereotyping" people?
beam me up scottie
Mar 2017
#111
Most Christians do not take everything in the Bible literally or apply ancient laws to modern life..
HopeAgain
Mar 2017
#113
Again - not a straw man since you suggested there were different interpretations.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2017
#144
Interesting. I googled your religious "scholar" and it appears I was correct.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2017
#145
This isn't about belief, it's about facts and history -apologists distort both to pimp their agenda.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2017
#152
The point is that people justify what they do by saying that they are following a code of behavior.
guillaumeb
Mar 2017
#26
That's a fairly audacious deployment of snark given how egregiously wrong you are.
Act_of_Reparation
Mar 2017
#99
Straw man. Please show me where I discussed and/or determined their motivation.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2017
#47
False equivalency. There is no holy book instructing atheists to enslave, torture and murder people.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2017
#59
And I focus on religion's victims because they're often ignored when people discuss the good news.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2017
#64
In my reading, "hell" is short for "sheol." Which stood for the underground.
Bretton Garcia
Apr 2017
#164
Good news? Religion has been the cause of murder, torture, wars, oppression
The Velveteen Ocelot
Mar 2017
#51
There is oppression being committed by the nominally atheistic rulers in Russia.
guillaumeb
Mar 2017
#68
False equivalency. They may BE atheists but they don't do it in the name of atheism.
AtheistCrusader
Mar 2017
#71
Well, I'm not a mind reader, but I see no reason to think, for the additional reasons I outlined,
AtheistCrusader
Mar 2017
#92
You should keep up - Putin and the ROC are responsible for oppressing lgbt people in Russia.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2017
#115
It's proof that religious leaders are responsible for anti-lgbt discrimination in Russia.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2017
#126
Does the Pope go to interfaith services claiming to be a devout Jew or Muslim?
Act_of_Reparation
Mar 2017
#130
No they're proof that both men pray and accept communion just like other theists.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2017
#131