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In reply to the discussion: March 25 good news: 84 percent of the world population has faith........ [View all]beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)136. More logical fallacies?
And we need to remember how
people have been persecuted throughout history simply because of their religion. And I'm sure that it often starts by simply pointing out passages in their holy books that were inconsistent with the beliefs of the majority.
people have been persecuted throughout history simply because of their religion. And I'm sure that it often starts by simply pointing out passages in their holy books that were inconsistent with the beliefs of the majority.
Yes - and they were almost always persecuted by people who belonged to the same or other religions. The crusades, the inquisition, religious genocides, the Holocaust - all done in the name of religion.
In fact, go on Facebook and look up anti-Muslim sites, that is exactly what they do with the Koran. I'm not saying you will oppress, but sometimes one can lay a brick into the road towards discrimination without thinking about what they are really doing.
This isn't an anti-Muslim site - it's a liberal forum where atheists and theists alike regularly criticize religious oppression. Check out any of the threads about the right wing religious majority, you'll see theists here take as much delight in 'bashing' them as we do. In fact bashing right wing religious nut jobs has always been a favourite sport here. Posting facts about religion and bashing religious conservatives isn't oppression - and it won't lead to liberals rounding them up and putting them in camps.
People who claim religion as a basis to oppress, misuse religion, they don't practice it.
That's demonstrably false considering I already posted several excerpts from the bible showing how it instructs its followers to oppress and kill others.
When they burned heretics at the stake they were practicing religion.
When they stoned gay people to death they were practicing religion.
When they killed infidels for not believing in the same god they were practicing religion.
When they oppressed and slaughtered native Americans because of Manifest Destiny they were practicing religion.
History is littered with the corpses of religion's victims, you can't possibly believe the oppressors were all atheists.
By blaming slavery on religion, you are whitewashing the fact that it was born in America out of greed an unchecked capitalism. They didn't do it because they were religious, they used people as chattel out of greed.
Another straw man, my dog this is getting old.
I didn't "blame slavery on religion", I simply pointed out the fact that it's endorsed by the bible and that Christians participated in the slave trade, owned slaves and fought for it to remain legal. Those are facts - posting them isn't intolerant and it certainly isn't oppression to point out that many Christians were responsible and used the bible to support their position.
They found some archaic passage in the Bible to argue for it, but they would have done it anyway.
You mean the same way Christians used the other 'archaic' passages I posted to oppress and slaughter witches, lgbt people and non-Christians? And the same way they're still using the bible to oppress women and lgbt people today?
Let's not whitewash how technology, unchecked by any moral or ethical system, is destroying our environment and threatening our very existence. I don't blame technology, I blame the people who misuse it.
Is technology an ideology that's practiced by billions of followers all over the world and used to oppress and murder people who don't follow it?
If not then that's false equivalency.
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March 25 good news: 84 percent of the world population has faith........ [View all]
guillaumeb
Mar 2017
OP
Oh I think we can do better. For instance wasn't the first slave ship named after Jesus?
beam me up scottie
Mar 2017
#8
I thought about that too but for eight years we made it clear we weren't in a holy war with Islam.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2017
#16
Except religious abolitionists went against their own holy book when they opposed slavery.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2017
#18
If that was such an important concept why did so many Christians support slavery?
beam me up scottie
Mar 2017
#57
Yes - but again said atheists aren't citing a holy book to support those positions.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2017
#61
Really? Quoting the bible is "attacking faith" and stating facts is "stereotyping" people?
beam me up scottie
Mar 2017
#111
Most Christians do not take everything in the Bible literally or apply ancient laws to modern life..
HopeAgain
Mar 2017
#113
Again - not a straw man since you suggested there were different interpretations.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2017
#144
Interesting. I googled your religious "scholar" and it appears I was correct.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2017
#145
This isn't about belief, it's about facts and history -apologists distort both to pimp their agenda.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2017
#152
The point is that people justify what they do by saying that they are following a code of behavior.
guillaumeb
Mar 2017
#26
That's a fairly audacious deployment of snark given how egregiously wrong you are.
Act_of_Reparation
Mar 2017
#99
Straw man. Please show me where I discussed and/or determined their motivation.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2017
#47
False equivalency. There is no holy book instructing atheists to enslave, torture and murder people.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2017
#59
And I focus on religion's victims because they're often ignored when people discuss the good news.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2017
#64
In my reading, "hell" is short for "sheol." Which stood for the underground.
Bretton Garcia
Apr 2017
#164
Good news? Religion has been the cause of murder, torture, wars, oppression
The Velveteen Ocelot
Mar 2017
#51
There is oppression being committed by the nominally atheistic rulers in Russia.
guillaumeb
Mar 2017
#68
False equivalency. They may BE atheists but they don't do it in the name of atheism.
AtheistCrusader
Mar 2017
#71
Well, I'm not a mind reader, but I see no reason to think, for the additional reasons I outlined,
AtheistCrusader
Mar 2017
#92
You should keep up - Putin and the ROC are responsible for oppressing lgbt people in Russia.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2017
#115
It's proof that religious leaders are responsible for anti-lgbt discrimination in Russia.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2017
#126
Does the Pope go to interfaith services claiming to be a devout Jew or Muslim?
Act_of_Reparation
Mar 2017
#130
No they're proof that both men pray and accept communion just like other theists.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2017
#131