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MineralMan

(146,288 posts) Thu Aug 24, 2017, 09:52 AM Aug 2017

Can someone tell me what kind of logic this is: [View all]

A: An all-powerful deity exists and is responsible for everything.
B: I believe this is true, and have faith that it is true, therefore:
C: An all-powerful deity exists and is responsible for everything.

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Can someone tell me what kind of logic this is: [View all] MineralMan Aug 2017 OP

The illogical kind. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2017 #1

I was thinking about something like this: MineralMan Aug 2017 #2

It's not logic HopeAgain Aug 2017 #3

I'm an atheist. I believe that there are things beyond human understanding, too. MineralMan Aug 2017 #4

Why is it that everyone assumes that God has to be a supernatural entitity? Cary Aug 2017 #8

Creation, to me heaven05 Aug 2017 #31

As I understand it... Cary Aug 2017 #32

I have always heaven05 Aug 2017 #34

Why must there be a point? Cary Aug 2017 #35

in my case heaven05 Aug 2017 #38

Seems to me that neither of us has any say in the matter Cary Aug 2017 #42

There's no point to needing a point. Corvo Bianco Aug 2017 #104

I have no problem with your desire to understand HopeAgain Aug 2017 #10

I'm glad to hear that. MineralMan Aug 2017 #16

Maybe I should not say intuition, but rather "a still small voice" HopeAgain Aug 2017 #18

No logic as far as I can tell...probably why I will burn in hell BigmanPigman Aug 2017 #5

Hell seems to me to be an unlikely thing to exist. MineralMan Aug 2017 #7

Trump Exists, ergo hell exists ollie10 Aug 2017 #23

Sounds like a prime example of when to use the phrase "begging the question". brush Aug 2017 #6

Try this edhopper Aug 2017 #9

That makes some sort of sense, I guess. MineralMan Aug 2017 #15

Here is my belief. virtualobserver Aug 2017 #11

That seems likely, in one form or another. MineralMan Aug 2017 #13

my second belief virtualobserver Aug 2017 #22

Thanks for posting this Double Slit Experiment Video sagesnow Aug 2017 #59

To the best of our knowledge 13.8 billion years Voltaire2 Aug 2017 #68

We know that an event happened 13.8 billion years ago. virtualobserver Aug 2017 #69

it is fairly certain that the universe started at that point. Voltaire2 Aug 2017 #71

so, the universe popped into existence from nothing? virtualobserver Aug 2017 #72

We don't know. Voltaire2 Aug 2017 #73

I don't dispute the event 13.8B years ago or that there is "cosmic background radiation" virtualobserver Aug 2017 #74

There is no "greater universe". Voltaire2 Aug 2017 #75

That was my point virtualobserver Aug 2017 #77

Ok but that is basically a faith based belief. Voltaire2 Aug 2017 #78

No, believing that a universe sprang into existence from nothing is the ultimate faith based belief virtualobserver Aug 2017 #86

There is no evidence for what happened at the moment of origin. Voltaire2 Aug 2017 #87

there is no reason to believe that it could start from nothing virtualobserver Aug 2017 #89

I am going to mangle this because it's been 35 years since I studied math Cary Aug 2017 #12

Yes. That kind of logic allows for a good deal of exploitation. MineralMan Aug 2017 #14

Take it into context Cary Aug 2017 #17

I don't really look to Bronze Age people for explanations of MineralMan Aug 2017 #20

I am not suggesting that you look to Bronze Age people for explanations Cary Aug 2017 #27

Logical Fallacy - Circular Reasoning CozyMystery Aug 2017 #19

100 points to your house! MineralMan Aug 2017 #21

Not everything that is real is logical ollie10 Aug 2017 #24

No, atheism requires no faith. It is the default state. MineralMan Aug 2017 #33

Requires no faith? ollie10 Aug 2017 #41

There is no need for me to prove anything at all. MineralMan Aug 2017 #43

Fine. You just admitted that you cannot prove there is no god..... ollie10 Aug 2017 #44

See, you ARE confused. One cannot prove a negative MineralMan Aug 2017 #45

That was MY point! ollie10 Aug 2017 #48

So to be clear, belief in unicorns and disbelief in unicorns are equivalent positions. Voltaire2 Aug 2017 #76

Didn't say anything about unicorns ollie10 Aug 2017 #79

How is substituting a god for a unicorn any Voltaire2 Aug 2017 #80

You are being insulting to those who may disagree with you.... ollie10 Aug 2017 #85

Oh I see. We've reached the point in the discussion where examining Voltaire2 Aug 2017 #88

No, the issue is not evidence, it is proof ollie10 Aug 2017 #90

What's the evidence there is a God? Lordquinton Aug 2017 #91

There is a difference between evidence and proof..... ollie10 Aug 2017 #100

There's more evidence against than for Lordquinton Aug 2017 #114

Ollie, why would anyone ever believe Mariana Aug 2017 #95

I am not promoting religion.... ollie10 Aug 2017 #101

There are lots of things we cannot prove don't exist. trotsky Aug 2017 #122

No. We all have our own values and beliefs ollie10 Aug 2017 #123

Oh, so we ARE to respect the faith of David Duke then? trotsky Aug 2017 #124

David Duke would be criticized by many Christians..... ollie10 Aug 2017 #126

Oh this is fantastic news. trotsky Aug 2017 #128

What is the evidence? Voltaire2 Aug 2017 #97

Please see above ollie10 Aug 2017 #103

I see. Voltaire2 Aug 2017 #108

I don't know why you insist on misrepresenting what I have said.... ollie10 Aug 2017 #109

I responded to your list of evidence for why we should Voltaire2 Aug 2017 #110

Please re-read my post and your reply... ollie10 Aug 2017 #111

Yeah, yeah, but the burden of proof Mariana Aug 2017 #37

Atheism is a claim that there is no god ollie10 Aug 2017 #40

Actually, atheism is simply the lack of belief in any deities or other MineralMan Aug 2017 #46

So perhaps we are arguing about definitions ollie10 Aug 2017 #49

Actually, we're not arguing about anything at all. MineralMan Aug 2017 #50

Fine ollie10 Aug 2017 #52

One need not assume that day exists. MineralMan Aug 2017 #55

Have a good one! ollie10 Aug 2017 #60

Please. Mariana Aug 2017 #61

John is not expressing atheism.... ollie10 Aug 2017 #62

John is indeed expressing atheism. Mariana Aug 2017 #63

As I mentioned in another post, we may be arguing about definitions ollie10 Aug 2017 #64

I always say that I don't believe deities exist. MineralMan Aug 2017 #65

Which word would you use? Mariana Aug 2017 #67

The burden of proof is in the one making the claim Lordquinton Aug 2017 #92

You should be happy to know.... ollie10 Aug 2017 #93

Wait, so no claim is being made? Lordquinton Aug 2017 #94

how many times do I have to repeat..... ollie10 Aug 2017 #96

Ollie, you're really obsessing about this distinction Mariana Aug 2017 #98

wow....just wow! ollie10 Aug 2017 #99

You said atheism requires faith, i.e. it is religious in nature. Mariana Aug 2017 #113

Just saying ollie10 Aug 2017 #116

So about this unicorn Lordquinton Aug 2017 #115

Do you always act so dismissively.... ollie10 Aug 2017 #117

Are you afraid of this unicorn? Lordquinton Aug 2017 #118

When you are comparing the belief in god to unicorns..... ollie10 Aug 2017 #119

You've been refuted Lordquinton Aug 2017 #120

What? ollie10 Aug 2017 #121

You are being intentionally obtuse here Lordquinton Aug 2017 #125

"I you claim no one is making the claim, then there is nothing to refute". ollie10 Aug 2017 #127

You've got it backwards Lordquinton Aug 2017 #129

So what do you believe? ollie10 Aug 2017 #130

Why do you insist on asking people what they believe? MineralMan Aug 2017 #131

I have already made the point.... ollie10 Aug 2017 #132

You just asked another DUer what he/she believes MineralMan Aug 2017 #133

Here is what I asked.... ollie10 Aug 2017 #136

Well, a wise man asked... ollie10 Aug 2017 #137

Hey, how about not ignoring what someone says? Lordquinton Aug 2017 #138

I never claimed that though.... ollie10 Aug 2017 #139

Hey, guess what? Lordquinton Aug 2017 #140

If you don't understand my point by now.... ollie10 Aug 2017 #141

Sure, I'll take it Lordquinton Aug 2017 #142

The conclusion is contained in the major premise rock Aug 2017 #25

If you are the cause for the existence of the deity, it is not all-powerful. DetlefK Aug 2017 #26

My favorite part is that HE is WhiteTara Aug 2017 #28

now *this* is a situation for the undeniably correct usage of phrase "begging the question". unblock Aug 2017 #29

If you think about it, Scientology is just as reasonable Not Ruth Aug 2017 #30

Hmm...L. Ron Hubbard was a bad sci-fi author. MineralMan Aug 2017 #36

can't heaven05 Aug 2017 #39

Is not sarisataka Aug 2017 #47

Apparently, if you're using the same illogic. MineralMan Aug 2017 #51

Stephen King is right (as usual)....excerpt from The Dark Tower Book 1: The Gunslinger Moostache Aug 2017 #53

Yes. It's difficult to describe the universe from a vantage point MineralMan Aug 2017 #56

Packer fans underpants Aug 2017 #54

I'll see your "Packer Fans" and raise you a "Tesla"... NeoGreen Aug 2017 #134

A tautology, IIRC; which is a fallacy of rhetorical argument. ms liberty Aug 2017 #57

Exactly. MineralMan Aug 2017 #58

Circular? Faulty? Um...taut? Iggo Aug 2017 #66

The kind of logic that mistakes the map for the territory Htom Sirveaux Aug 2017 #70

Slightly reworded, it would read: guillaumeb Aug 2017 #81

Your words, not mine. MineralMan Aug 2017 #82

Agreed. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #83

OK. It seemed to me that you were suggesting changes to MineralMan Aug 2017 #84

What part of organized religion Soxfan58 Aug 2017 #102

Fake Logic. delisen Aug 2017 #105

Alternative Logic. delisen Aug 2017 #106

Here are some definitions from OEP rogerashton Aug 2017 #107

This might help... NeoGreen Aug 2017 #135

All religion is a warped response to the emotion/feeling of humility. EOM Comatose Sphagetti Aug 2017 #112