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guillaumeb

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Sun Aug 27, 2017, 09:04 PM Aug 2017

The alt-right and non-theists: [View all]

There have been posts about the link between far right viewpoints and various Christian churches. What I have not seen to date are any posts speaking of the various non-theist leaders and thinkers of the alt-right.

Here are a few:

In his interview with the Atlantic, Spencer, an avowed atheist, surprised Wood with a peculiar defense of Christianity: that the religion is false but it “bound together the civilizations of Europe.”
Spencer’s view is common among the alt-right. They have no interest in the teachings of Christ, but they see the whole edifice of white European civilization as built on a framework of Christian beliefs. From their perspective, Christendom united the European continent and forged white identity.


https://www.vox.com/2017/8/17/16140846/nietzsche-richard-spencer-alt-right-nazism

And speaking of the movement as a whole:

I would say it is definitely a young movement. I'd say that it is predominantly white millennial men. It is not sort of stereotypically conservative in its profile. I'd say that probably it is a more secular population than the country overall. That is, there are a lot of agnostics and atheists or people who are just generally indifferent to religion. And I think that it is a fairly well-educated movement on average, that as I think that probably the model alt-right member has at least some college education.


http://www.npr.org/2017/08/15/543730227/unite-the-right-charlottesville-rally-represented-collection-of-alt-right-groups

Also speaking of the movement:

However, in a truly disturbing trend for those of us atheists, agnostics and allies who embrace humanism as a progressive and inclusive philosophy of life, the Alt-Right has been gaining ground...among atheists. In fact, Alt-Right figurehead Richard Spencer has recently spoken and written publicly about how his movement is consistent with secular humanist values.


https://www.meetup.com/HarvardHumanist/events/239012294/

So what does this mean? I would argue that these instances and individuals are no more representative of the majority of atheists than the relatively few religious bigots are of theism in general.
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The alt-right and non-theists: [View all] guillaumeb Aug 2017 OP
KKK has always been a christian terrorist organization....well at least for most of its history Thomas Hurt Aug 2017 #1
The KKK was indeed titled as a Christian organization. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #2
yep, the far right is made up of multitude of different movement and orgs... Thomas Hurt Aug 2017 #3
What a disgusting list. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #5
There you go again. trotsky Aug 2017 #14
I suggest that you read reply #2. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #17
I did, and that's why I wrote what I did. trotsky Aug 2017 #20
And? Please continue. eom guillaumeb Aug 2017 #33
You wrote: "The KKK was indeed titled as a Christian organization." trotsky Aug 2017 #50
Because the KKK WAS titled as a Christian organization. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #58
For as often as you whinge about people framing or misinterpreting your posts... Act_of_Reparation Aug 2017 #70
I do take issue when someone completely turns what I say to serve a narrative. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #73
So, is the KKK a Christian organization? trotsky Aug 2017 #76
Again with the reframing. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #78
Oh I get it. "Reframing" means that someone has asked a question you don't want to answer. trotsky Aug 2017 #79
I did answer it. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #80
You picked one specific, arbitary definition of what it means to be a Christian organization. trotsky Aug 2017 #83
KKK Leader Disputes Hate Group Label: 'We're A Christian Organization' trotsky Aug 2017 #81
Which returns to my initial response. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #82
It settles one thing: trotsky Aug 2017 #84
See #2 guillaumeb Aug 2017 #85
Nope, not the same. trotsky Aug 2017 #86
And if you can only define Christianity for yourself, trotsky Aug 2017 #87
Churches and religious groups across the spectrum have condemned the KKK. ollie10 Aug 2017 #93
Some have. Many, perhaps. But far from all. MineralMan Aug 2017 #94
Of course not all..... ollie10 Aug 2017 #102
proof for your last sentence?? Angry Dragon Sep 2017 #107
Fantasists who dream of the South rising again, guillaumeb Sep 2017 #108
okay Angry Dragon Sep 2017 #109
No everyone that claims to be a Christian is a Christian. TomSlick Aug 2017 #4
Many here will take exception to that. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #6
Understood TomSlick Aug 2017 #7
Are Mormons? Brainstormy Aug 2017 #53
I said I wasn't going to respond to anymore of these, TomSlick Aug 2017 #91
The Catholic Church fails this test Lordquinton Aug 2017 #95
Plenty of Christians don't consider Catholics to be Christian. Mariana Aug 2017 #98
I really should give up. TomSlick Aug 2017 #103
I was going by your own words Lordquinton Aug 2017 #104
Yea, I know Lordquinton Aug 2017 #105
And you know what a Christian Klan member will tell you? trotsky Aug 2017 #100
Who decides who is a "true Christian"? Voltaire2 Aug 2017 #8
It's not that hard. TomSlick Aug 2017 #9
excuse me? where and when did I condemn all christians or muslims? Voltaire2 Aug 2017 #11
You didn't but others here do. TomSlick Aug 2017 #24
So you just decided to derail the discussion by Voltaire2 Aug 2017 #32
I give up! TomSlick Aug 2017 #43
And you just did it again. "all Christians are hateful evil people" Voltaire2 Aug 2017 #48
I don't think anyone in this thread has ever said that. Mariana Aug 2017 #99
Anyone that espouses hate is using only using Christian imagery. HAB911 Aug 2017 #12
"Anyone that espouses hate is ... only using Christian imagery." trotsky Aug 2017 #29
But see: muriel_volestrangler Aug 2017 #10
If they aren't Christians, what are they? Mariana Aug 2017 #44
There are horrible people who are also atheists. trotsky Aug 2017 #13
A logical fallacy. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #18
An atheist's "philosophical beliefs" are theirs and theirs alone. trotsky Aug 2017 #21
The Bible has many passages. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #34
It sure does. trotsky Aug 2017 #51
Oh really? ollie10 Aug 2017 #55
Why hello there. Are you new to DU? Welcome! trotsky Aug 2017 #56
Yes, adding religion to the mix MIGHT make someone more toxic..... ollie10 Aug 2017 #57
Are you aware of how badly you are representing what I have said? trotsky Aug 2017 #59
I find it disturbing that so many believers have so little reading comprehension skills here. Fix The Stupid Aug 2017 #64
I've seen it enough to conclude that yeah, it's part of the playbook. trotsky Aug 2017 #67
This message was self-deleted by its author ollie10 Aug 2017 #69
Seems to be Lordquinton Aug 2017 #96
You are misunderstanding what I said. ollie10 Aug 2017 #68
You said: "You should be aware that not all Christians take the Bible literally." trotsky Aug 2017 #71
Sorry if I was not clear. ollie10 Aug 2017 #72
Once again I must object to your phrasing. trotsky Aug 2017 #75
Not chiding anyone.... ollie10 Aug 2017 #88
OK, just stop it. trotsky Aug 2017 #89
wow....just wow! ollie10 Aug 2017 #90
Done with you. Again. n/t trotsky Aug 2017 #92
A revealing observation, but of your feelings only. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #60
A revealing observation of history itself. trotsky Aug 2017 #62
More revelation, but of the non-theistic type. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #65
Your claim is false. trotsky Aug 2017 #66
Philosophical beliefs and religion are not the same things. MineralMan Aug 2017 #25
A philosophy of life can be composed of many elements. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #35
Also the history of philosophy and religion are closely intertwined marylandblue Aug 2017 #40
Excellent points. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #41
Atheism has nothing to do with politics. MineralMan Aug 2017 #15
And do you speak for all atheists? guillaumeb Aug 2017 #19
Nobody speaks for anyone but him or herself. MineralMan Aug 2017 #22
I predict that atheists are more likely to be politically liberal than conservative marylandblue Aug 2017 #39
That may well be true, but MineralMan Aug 2017 #46
It matters because this is a political board marylandblue Aug 2017 #47
There is a correlation between godlessness and left views Lordquinton Aug 2017 #97
Atheism is literally a lack of a belief in the supernatural. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #54
I guess it means not all atheists are humanists. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2017 #16
Exactly. Nobody claimed that. MineralMan Aug 2017 #23
Naw, it's just the usual tripe. trotsky Aug 2017 #26
Yes. That has been a frequent theme here. MineralMan Aug 2017 #27
However, I wrote the following end remark: guillaumeb Aug 2017 #37
Seems more like shameless self-congratulation to me. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2017 #30
Interersting how many different things people can read into an article. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #36
Naw, your reputation is just that bad. n/t trotsky Aug 2017 #52
More revelation, if any needed it, about your position. eom guillaumeb Aug 2017 #61
About your position, you mean? trotsky Aug 2017 #63
As with Islam in the Middle East, Christianity held Europe together Dawson Leery Aug 2017 #28
If he doesn't believe in God, he's an atheist. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2017 #31
Spencer defends the usefulness of religion in society. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #38
This is Plato's noble lie marylandblue Aug 2017 #42
And these historians might be correct about Constantine. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #45
Religion is but the law of the primitive. Dawson Leery Aug 2017 #74
A view that might make one feel good about holding an opinion, guillaumeb Aug 2017 #77
more recently Leo Strauss, one of the founders of neoconservatism. Voltaire2 Aug 2017 #49
"relatively few religious bigots" Cuthbert Allgood Aug 2017 #101
Old cultural norms kwassa Sep 2017 #106
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