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HopeAgain

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48. I don't see how I proved your point.

Reply to Cartoonist (Reply #46)

Tue Oct 24, 2017, 12:03 PM

Oct 2017

You think any of those people would have made for reasonable diplomacy if there was no religion? Really?

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Religious?? ...............Who Cares?? [View all] Angry Dragon Oct 2017 OP

I'm an atheist and I have come to defend organized religion: DetlefK Oct 2017 #1

Yes, a religion can give the sense of community Angry Dragon Oct 2017 #3

You misunderstood this. Please answer this question: DetlefK Oct 2017 #5

I got lost in your reply................but I found some of it interesting Angry Dragon Oct 2017 #7

Do you really believe all that you said here? guillaumeb Dec 2017 #102

yes Angry Dragon Dec 2017 #105

But it is not provable. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #106

One can believe in things not proven however if you tell someone to believe in Angry Dragon Dec 2017 #108

I never tell or ask anyone to share my beliefs. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #109

that is good Angry Dragon Dec 2017 #110

"Why do young Muslims become extremists? Because their life sucks." trotsky Oct 2017 #16

Look at the world from Osama Bin Ladens point of view: DetlefK Oct 2017 #18

"So you decide to stand up for Allah" trotsky Oct 2017 #19

Another misreading. eom guillaumeb Oct 2017 #21

It was a direct quote. trotsky Oct 2017 #22

The poster was attempting to explain why Osama bin Laden acted as he did. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #23

"So you decide to stand up for Allah" trotsky Oct 2017 #25

Reread the post, #18, starting with the title: guillaumeb Oct 2017 #26

Yes, you did attack those lines. trotsky Oct 2017 #27

So you persist in your misreading of the post as a defense of bin Laden? guillaumeb Oct 2017 #28

It is only your opinion that I misread it. trotsky Oct 2017 #29

Perhaps you should debate the original poster, guillaumeb Oct 2017 #30

You're the one making the claim. trotsky Oct 2017 #34

I am confused. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #36

Yep, I wrote that. trotsky Oct 2017 #38

And what was your meaning? guillaumeb Oct 2017 #39

You have never been more correct than you were in that post. n/t trotsky Oct 2017 #40

So you had no meaning. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #41

Perhaps there is. trotsky Oct 2017 #42

Gladly: guillaumeb Oct 2017 #43

Not for you, because you'll just shit on me again like the Christian you have shown yourself to be. trotsky Oct 2017 #45

The word paraphrased is ridiculous. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #58

Aw, as much as I'd like to take credit for it, that's all on you. trotsky Oct 2017 #60

I am shocked that you did not include the words "victory" and "humiliate" in your reply. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #61

I have not met ONE non-theist who has "no idea how to accept that not all Christian theists... trotsky Oct 2017 #63

You demonstrate you own false narrative: guillaumeb Oct 2017 #64

As always, I am content to let readers of this group decide. n/t trotsky Oct 2017 #67

I care. Voltaire2 Oct 2017 #2

That is my feeling also ............. Angry Dragon Oct 2017 #4

re;igion is like a little kids blanket weissmam Oct 2017 #6

okay Thanks Angry Dragon Oct 2017 #8

Do you find this dismissive attitude to be a comfort also? eom guillaumeb Oct 2017 #24

"Organized deity belief has brought more grief to this world than anything else combined." trotsky Oct 2017 #9

Do you really care if someone is religious?? Angry Dragon Oct 2017 #10

I care whenever someone's religion leads them to affect the lives of others in a way they don't want trotsky Oct 2017 #11

That is plenty good........that is why they are religious terrorists Angry Dragon Oct 2017 #12

So putting a cross on public land is a terrorist attack? Act_of_Reparation Oct 2017 #13

If it scares someone, makes them afraid Angry Dragon Oct 2017 #14

But it's not just about being scared. trotsky Oct 2017 #15

I fear(scared) the day comes when they pass laws to silence me(us) Angry Dragon Oct 2017 #94

So to answer your question, Who Cares? trotsky Oct 2017 #98

Says who? HopeAgain Oct 2017 #31

Not my quote. trotsky Oct 2017 #32

sorry HopeAgain Oct 2017 #33

A world with no religion Cartoonist Oct 2017 #37

Intelligent like Kim Jong-Un? HopeAgain Oct 2017 #44

Kim is not the religious element Cartoonist Oct 2017 #46

I don't see how I proved your point. HopeAgain Oct 2017 #48

Yes, I do Cartoonist Oct 2017 #51

Religion is used as a justification HopeAgain Oct 2017 #55

Seperation Cartoonist Oct 2017 #62

I am not saying religion is truth HopeAgain Oct 2017 #68

We agree if you are honest with yourself Cartoonist Oct 2017 #83

Do you then agree HopeAgain Oct 2017 #84

Personally, I have no problem with religion being no better than other institutions marylandblue Oct 2017 #85

"Religion, like any other institution, can simply reflect human nature." trotsky Oct 2017 #47

Logic and reason is twisted by humans on a daily basis with or without religion. HopeAgain Oct 2017 #49

I don't deny that. trotsky Oct 2017 #50

But now we're off track HopeAgain Oct 2017 #52

No, we're not off track, I'm talking about what's unique when it comes to religion. trotsky Oct 2017 #53

No I don't believe those things. HopeAgain Oct 2017 #54

Now you're veering off track. trotsky Oct 2017 #56

I'm not here to say a religion is valid or invalid HopeAgain Oct 2017 #57

I'm not saying that either. trotsky Oct 2017 #59

I don't know... HopeAgain Oct 2017 #65

Then I'll answer it for you. trotsky Oct 2017 #66

Is it really so bad that they believe it marylandblue Oct 2017 #69

Yes. Yes it is... NeoGreen Oct 2017 #71

Much as I love Voltaire marylandblue Oct 2017 #73

Because we are encouraging people to overrule logic, reason, and observation. trotsky Oct 2017 #72

I don't know why it is a bad thing HopeAgain Oct 2017 #75

Off track again. trotsky Oct 2017 #76

No I don't agree because HopeAgain Oct 2017 #78

But religion itself instructs that all other inputs should be ignored, and the dogma take precedence trotsky Oct 2017 #79

But maybe you don't truly understand religion... HopeAgain Oct 2017 #80

"Religion has always been adaptive and evolving based upon the experiences of society." trotsky Oct 2017 #81

What is your point exactly then? HopeAgain Oct 2017 #82

My point was made in post #47. trotsky Oct 2017 #86

Okay but that doesn't make religion inherently bad HopeAgain Oct 2017 #87

Well that's great because I didn't claim it was inherently bad. trotsky Oct 2017 #88

Same with other institutions HopeAgain Oct 2017 #89

Religion is indeed unique in that it *conditions* people to believe in spite of facts. trotsky Oct 2017 #90

Modern capitalism is a huge pile of rationalization and denial HopeAgain Oct 2017 #91

Alright, the name calling has started so I'm out. trotsky Oct 2017 #92

So religion is just an excuse to do bad things? Act_of_Reparation Oct 2017 #93

It is not a matter of logic or reason marylandblue Oct 2017 #70

What it does is pave the way to toss empiricism out the window when it conflicts with religion. trotsky Oct 2017 #74

I agree with that marylandblue Oct 2017 #77

The grip of organized religion upon society matters because of the legislative follow-on AtheistCrusader Oct 2017 #17

I do care Angry Dragon Oct 2017 #95

Except for the opinion expressed in the last sentence, I agree. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #20

"If no one believes in a god, does that god die?? " vlyons Oct 2017 #35

Good question Angry Dragon Oct 2017 #96

thanks, but it wasn't my question. vlyons Oct 2017 #97

Do you believe every single word that you posted here? guillaumeb Dec 2017 #99

Yes I do gilly...........I believe it is true Angry Dragon Dec 2017 #100

So you believe in things that are unproven? guillaumeb Dec 2017 #101

some things ......... but I would venture a guess that we do not believe in the same things Angry Dragon Dec 2017 #103

Proven or unproven? guillaumeb Dec 2017 #104

That possibility would exist Angry Dragon Dec 2017 #107