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Cartoonist

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83. We agree if you are honest with yourself
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 11:03 PM
Oct 2017

I believe religion is a strong motivator. It can move someone to extreme violence. Don't try to deflect it off on to some other reason. There are lots of angry youth in the ME. They don't all fly into buildings.

That's another excuse you're trying. The not all Christians are bad.

But as you yourself acknowledge, religion by itself motivates people to do things, like feed the hungry. I didn't notice you offer the excuse that these were just people being happy. No, you gave all the credit to religion.

I'm an atheist and I have come to defend organized religion: DetlefK Oct 2017 #1
Yes, a religion can give the sense of community Angry Dragon Oct 2017 #3
You misunderstood this. Please answer this question: DetlefK Oct 2017 #5
I got lost in your reply................but I found some of it interesting Angry Dragon Oct 2017 #7
Do you really believe all that you said here? guillaumeb Dec 2017 #102
yes Angry Dragon Dec 2017 #105
But it is not provable. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #106
One can believe in things not proven however if you tell someone to believe in Angry Dragon Dec 2017 #108
I never tell or ask anyone to share my beliefs. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #109
that is good Angry Dragon Dec 2017 #110
"Why do young Muslims become extremists? Because their life sucks." trotsky Oct 2017 #16
Look at the world from Osama Bin Ladens point of view: DetlefK Oct 2017 #18
"So you decide to stand up for Allah" trotsky Oct 2017 #19
Another misreading. eom guillaumeb Oct 2017 #21
It was a direct quote. trotsky Oct 2017 #22
The poster was attempting to explain why Osama bin Laden acted as he did. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #23
"So you decide to stand up for Allah" trotsky Oct 2017 #25
Reread the post, #18, starting with the title: guillaumeb Oct 2017 #26
Yes, you did attack those lines. trotsky Oct 2017 #27
So you persist in your misreading of the post as a defense of bin Laden? guillaumeb Oct 2017 #28
It is only your opinion that I misread it. trotsky Oct 2017 #29
Perhaps you should debate the original poster, guillaumeb Oct 2017 #30
You're the one making the claim. trotsky Oct 2017 #34
I am confused. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #36
Yep, I wrote that. trotsky Oct 2017 #38
And what was your meaning? guillaumeb Oct 2017 #39
You have never been more correct than you were in that post. n/t trotsky Oct 2017 #40
So you had no meaning. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #41
Perhaps there is. trotsky Oct 2017 #42
Gladly: guillaumeb Oct 2017 #43
Not for you, because you'll just shit on me again like the Christian you have shown yourself to be. trotsky Oct 2017 #45
The word paraphrased is ridiculous. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #58
Aw, as much as I'd like to take credit for it, that's all on you. trotsky Oct 2017 #60
I am shocked that you did not include the words "victory" and "humiliate" in your reply. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #61
I have not met ONE non-theist who has "no idea how to accept that not all Christian theists... trotsky Oct 2017 #63
You demonstrate you own false narrative: guillaumeb Oct 2017 #64
As always, I am content to let readers of this group decide. n/t trotsky Oct 2017 #67
I care. Voltaire2 Oct 2017 #2
That is my feeling also ............. Angry Dragon Oct 2017 #4
re;igion is like a little kids blanket weissmam Oct 2017 #6
okay Thanks Angry Dragon Oct 2017 #8
Do you find this dismissive attitude to be a comfort also? eom guillaumeb Oct 2017 #24
"Organized deity belief has brought more grief to this world than anything else combined." trotsky Oct 2017 #9
Do you really care if someone is religious?? Angry Dragon Oct 2017 #10
I care whenever someone's religion leads them to affect the lives of others in a way they don't want trotsky Oct 2017 #11
That is plenty good........that is why they are religious terrorists Angry Dragon Oct 2017 #12
So putting a cross on public land is a terrorist attack? Act_of_Reparation Oct 2017 #13
If it scares someone, makes them afraid Angry Dragon Oct 2017 #14
But it's not just about being scared. trotsky Oct 2017 #15
I fear(scared) the day comes when they pass laws to silence me(us) Angry Dragon Oct 2017 #94
So to answer your question, Who Cares? trotsky Oct 2017 #98
Says who? HopeAgain Oct 2017 #31
Not my quote. trotsky Oct 2017 #32
sorry HopeAgain Oct 2017 #33
A world with no religion Cartoonist Oct 2017 #37
Intelligent like Kim Jong-Un? HopeAgain Oct 2017 #44
Kim is not the religious element Cartoonist Oct 2017 #46
I don't see how I proved your point. HopeAgain Oct 2017 #48
Yes, I do Cartoonist Oct 2017 #51
Religion is used as a justification HopeAgain Oct 2017 #55
Seperation Cartoonist Oct 2017 #62
I am not saying religion is truth HopeAgain Oct 2017 #68
We agree if you are honest with yourself Cartoonist Oct 2017 #83
Do you then agree HopeAgain Oct 2017 #84
Personally, I have no problem with religion being no better than other institutions marylandblue Oct 2017 #85
"Religion, like any other institution, can simply reflect human nature." trotsky Oct 2017 #47
Logic and reason is twisted by humans on a daily basis with or without religion. HopeAgain Oct 2017 #49
I don't deny that. trotsky Oct 2017 #50
But now we're off track HopeAgain Oct 2017 #52
No, we're not off track, I'm talking about what's unique when it comes to religion. trotsky Oct 2017 #53
No I don't believe those things. HopeAgain Oct 2017 #54
Now you're veering off track. trotsky Oct 2017 #56
I'm not here to say a religion is valid or invalid HopeAgain Oct 2017 #57
I'm not saying that either. trotsky Oct 2017 #59
I don't know... HopeAgain Oct 2017 #65
Then I'll answer it for you. trotsky Oct 2017 #66
Is it really so bad that they believe it marylandblue Oct 2017 #69
Yes. Yes it is... NeoGreen Oct 2017 #71
Much as I love Voltaire marylandblue Oct 2017 #73
Because we are encouraging people to overrule logic, reason, and observation. trotsky Oct 2017 #72
I don't know why it is a bad thing HopeAgain Oct 2017 #75
Off track again. trotsky Oct 2017 #76
No I don't agree because HopeAgain Oct 2017 #78
But religion itself instructs that all other inputs should be ignored, and the dogma take precedence trotsky Oct 2017 #79
But maybe you don't truly understand religion... HopeAgain Oct 2017 #80
"Religion has always been adaptive and evolving based upon the experiences of society." trotsky Oct 2017 #81
What is your point exactly then? HopeAgain Oct 2017 #82
My point was made in post #47. trotsky Oct 2017 #86
Okay but that doesn't make religion inherently bad HopeAgain Oct 2017 #87
Well that's great because I didn't claim it was inherently bad. trotsky Oct 2017 #88
Same with other institutions HopeAgain Oct 2017 #89
Religion is indeed unique in that it *conditions* people to believe in spite of facts. trotsky Oct 2017 #90
Modern capitalism is a huge pile of rationalization and denial HopeAgain Oct 2017 #91
Alright, the name calling has started so I'm out. trotsky Oct 2017 #92
So religion is just an excuse to do bad things? Act_of_Reparation Oct 2017 #93
It is not a matter of logic or reason marylandblue Oct 2017 #70
What it does is pave the way to toss empiricism out the window when it conflicts with religion. trotsky Oct 2017 #74
I agree with that marylandblue Oct 2017 #77
The grip of organized religion upon society matters because of the legislative follow-on AtheistCrusader Oct 2017 #17
I do care Angry Dragon Oct 2017 #95
Except for the opinion expressed in the last sentence, I agree. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #20
"If no one believes in a god, does that god die?? " vlyons Oct 2017 #35
Good question Angry Dragon Oct 2017 #96
thanks, but it wasn't my question. vlyons Oct 2017 #97
Do you believe every single word that you posted here? guillaumeb Dec 2017 #99
Yes I do gilly...........I believe it is true Angry Dragon Dec 2017 #100
So you believe in things that are unproven? guillaumeb Dec 2017 #101
some things ......... but I would venture a guess that we do not believe in the same things Angry Dragon Dec 2017 #103
Proven or unproven? guillaumeb Dec 2017 #104
That possibility would exist Angry Dragon Dec 2017 #107
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