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Voltaire2

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18. which message of exodus exactly?
Tue Dec 26, 2017, 02:21 PM
Dec 2017

The message that a bloodthirsty god willfully murders innocent children to force the pharaoh to submit to his will, that message? Or should we ignore that message?

The "its metaphor" dodge is bullshit.

Alexa, how out of touch with the reality of christmas is this op? Voltaire2 Dec 2017 #1
(Bonk!) AtheistCrusader Dec 2017 #8
One of your better replies. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #47
Useless, long and everlasting THEOLOGICAL DEBATE in 3 2 1.... Canoe52 Dec 2017 #67
Oh, that train left the station a long time ago. AtheistCrusader Dec 2017 #70
None. shenmue Dec 2017 #77
Yes there is. Mariana Dec 2017 #79
The Exodus story and the Christmas story have this in common: DavidDvorkin Dec 2017 #2
Bzzzt. Nice try. shenmue Dec 2017 #76
We've been told over and over again Mariana Dec 2017 #80
Can you cite historical evidence for either one? DavidDvorkin Dec 2017 #81
Well, that's how it should have happened. Sadly, that is not what did happen. MineralMan Dec 2017 #3
The Beatles changed the world! Cartoonist Dec 2017 #4
Yes, and changed it for the better. dchill Dec 2017 #78
Depending on who you were, Christianity benefited you or MineralMan Dec 2017 #5
I'm going for Constantine customerserviceguy Dec 2017 #6
Exodus is a ridiculous hoax. AtheistCrusader Dec 2017 #7
Your devout Biblical Literalism demonstrates... yallerdawg Dec 2017 #9
Yallerdawg, do you believe any story in the Bible is literally true? Mariana Dec 2017 #10
I'm here in support of tolerance and inclusion. yallerdawg Dec 2017 #11
To two parties, the story is literally real, and it's getting people killed all the time. AtheistCrusader Dec 2017 #13
Some of us choose to see the good in people. yallerdawg Dec 2017 #14
Some of us, up is up, down is down. Left is left, right is right. Etc. AtheistCrusader Dec 2017 #15
There's a message in "Moby Dick," too, MineralMan Dec 2017 #20
"Moby Dick" isn't a religious text. yallerdawg Dec 2017 #22
So? It's a story. It's a metaphor. MineralMan Dec 2017 #37
Maybe one day... Mariana Dec 2017 #38
Most of them began as oral tradition. MineralMan Dec 2017 #42
The 'message' is couched as literal inerrant bilbical truth by evangelicals and others in the US. AtheistCrusader Dec 2017 #12
Still hung up on literalism. yallerdawg Dec 2017 #16
Yes. Yes it is a horror story. AtheistCrusader Dec 2017 #17
"For some this is a horror story" Voltaire2 Dec 2017 #19
Can you all get it straight? yallerdawg Dec 2017 #21
You claimed that we should look at the message. Voltaire2 Dec 2017 #25
People can discuss a fictional character in a story. Mariana Dec 2017 #40
Both are "needed" by the literalist strain of non-theism. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #49
Is a message delivered in a false story valid? MineralMan Dec 2017 #24
Simply a message of promised deliverance in response to faith. yallerdawg Dec 2017 #27
See my second post below, regarding Jericho. MineralMan Dec 2017 #29
which message of exodus exactly? Voltaire2 Dec 2017 #18
Symbolism and metaphor is bullshit. yallerdawg Dec 2017 #23
So, then, let's have a look at Jericho and its fate, MineralMan Dec 2017 #26
Literalism again. yallerdawg Dec 2017 #31
Forget literalism. Let's say that never happened. Still, MineralMan Dec 2017 #32
I just don't follow. yallerdawg Dec 2017 #34
You're asking the right questions, but you aren't thinking about the answers. MineralMan Dec 2017 #35
We're talking about faith here. yallerdawg Dec 2017 #36
Faith in what? What are we supposed to have faith in? MineralMan Dec 2017 #39
You're also stuck in the past. yallerdawg Dec 2017 #41
"religion" - "has opened its doors to the LGBTQ community" well, about that... Voltaire2 Dec 2017 #43
Stuck in the past. yallerdawg Dec 2017 #44
Please show the data for that. Voltaire2 Dec 2017 #45
Mine is anecdotal. Just looking through "Religion" OP's and comments. ; ) yallerdawg Dec 2017 #46
The RCC still exerts influence worldwide to prevent legal recognition of same sex marraige. AtheistCrusader Dec 2017 #66
UU's are 0.0114285714% of the world's population and the religion is only 60 years old. AtheistCrusader Dec 2017 #64
Pagans. Deists. Agnostic Theists. Hindus. Jainism. Church of Satan. Take your pick, I got more. AtheistCrusader Dec 2017 #62
How do you feel about Moses himself being denied faith? AtheistCrusader Dec 2017 #60
I like how you just set arbitrary bookends to prevent analysis of the whole story, rather focusing o AtheistCrusader Dec 2017 #55
Genesis to Revelation? yallerdawg Dec 2017 #68
Different books entirely. Which is fine. AtheistCrusader Dec 2017 #69
Symbolism and metaphor are fine, but hiding from defending the stories Voltaire2 Dec 2017 #28
Speaking of cruel barbarity, god actually MADE the Pharoh evil, causing the death of children. AtheistCrusader Dec 2017 #30
The message is: "Our God is the Most Powerful God. Defy our God and Die!" MineralMan Dec 2017 #33
If it's not your god, you're evil by definition Mariana Dec 2017 #73
From the well known group of non-theistic literalists. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #48
What possesses them to have such an Anti-Christian viewpoint... yallerdawg Dec 2017 #50
I have read the claim that they are "forced" to it by theistic intolerance. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #51
Does it require a god that engineers obstacles and pain/death/misery for bystanders on the way? AtheistCrusader Dec 2017 #53
I would suggest reading it and deciding for yourself. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #57
Your excuse wears thin. There is a difference between me mockingly pointing out how long it takes AtheistCrusader Dec 2017 #58
I identify vicious torture porn, as vicious torture porn. Clearly the problem is with me. AtheistCrusader Dec 2017 #52
A suggestion: guillaumeb Dec 2017 #54
Already read it. It's nonsense. Its not "corrosive patina" to observe that god is a character within AtheistCrusader Dec 2017 #56
A literalist? I understand. eom guillaumeb Dec 2017 #59
Except I, and others, are willing to discuss the metaphorical/allegorical meanings of the story. AtheistCrusader Dec 2017 #61
If you are attacking the events as if they literally happened, guillaumeb Dec 2017 #63
Including that the Pharaoh was controlled by god so that he could not relent is not AtheistCrusader Dec 2017 #65
Man, you should never visit any fan fiction site Lordquinton Dec 2017 #71
I never have. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #72
The discussion actually takes place Lordquinton Dec 2017 #74
My degrees were awarded in 1974. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #75
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