Religion

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts) Wed Apr 18, 2018, 12:26 PM Apr 2018

Religion is inconvenient for those who demand certainty. [View all]

Theistic religion involves a belief in a deity, and faith that a deity exists.

Some prefer concrete things, rejecting everything that they cannot measure, or weigh, or photograph.

Some call all religion an illusion or a delusion. Some feel that their own intellect is capable of discerning what is true and what is merely illusion. The Greeks had a word for that. The word is hubris.

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Religion is inconvenient for those who demand certainty. [View all] guillaumeb Apr 2018 OP

"Some prefer concrete things, rejecting everything that they cannot measure, or weigh, or photograph trotsky Apr 2018 #1

I've never met anyone like that. MineralMan Apr 2018 #2

The only people I know who demand certainty are religious marylandblue Apr 2018 #3

A very good point. MineralMan Apr 2018 #5

BRILLIANT response! Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #76

Exactly! And that is the only certainty they have -- their beliefs .... KPN Apr 2018 #80

LIFE is inconvenient for those who demand certainty, guill!!! elleng Apr 2018 #4

True. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #11

I believe only in tangible things whose existence is directly observable. Girard442 Apr 2018 #6

you make a good point... light Worker Apr 2018 #52

Thing is... uriel1972 Apr 2018 #53

I get your point... light Worker Apr 2018 #94

Yes, but there is observable evidence of those things, even it we can't study MineralMan Apr 2018 #95

Isn't theory exactly that? - theory? light Worker Apr 2018 #98

Like the Theory of Gravity... uriel1972 Apr 2018 #99

Generally, I agree. light Worker Apr 2018 #100

and strings! marble falls Apr 2018 #62

Hey, GB, I really like how they are saying they believe in all manner of intagible faith things now. yallerdawg Apr 2018 #7

Intangible, unmeasurable and uncertain are not the same things marylandblue Apr 2018 #8

What is love? guillaumeb Apr 2018 #9

Love is a self-defined emotion. MineralMan Apr 2018 #12

Faith and belief are similarly defined. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #16

Yes, and so? MineralMan Apr 2018 #21

Love is a feeling not a concept marylandblue Apr 2018 #14

Faith and belief are also concepts. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #17

Faith and belief certainly exist marylandblue Apr 2018 #18

Very well put. thewhollytoast Apr 2018 #51

But if ones uses the word "accept" that avoids the word "belief". guillaumeb Apr 2018 #10

Hubris, eh? MineralMan Apr 2018 #13

Read a bit about it. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #15

There are techniques for finding your own failings marylandblue Apr 2018 #20

That assumes good faith on the part of the responders. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #23

No, good faith is not assumed marylandblue Apr 2018 #25

That assumes that the enemies are both observant and sincere. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #27

For someone who says "I understand" a lot marylandblue Apr 2018 #30

There is criticism and there is reflexive attack. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #32

Personal Judgement May Not Be Accurate MineralMan Apr 2018 #41

Feel free to discuss hubris, or the Giraudoux quote if you prefer. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #44

I always feel free to discuss anything I wish to discuss. MineralMan Apr 2018 #45

And ignore what you choose to ignore? guillaumeb Apr 2018 #46

Yes, of course. Free will. MineralMan Apr 2018 #47

Seems someone or group is hell bent on making YOU believe what they believe. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #77

That trick never works, though. MineralMan Apr 2018 #79

Feeling especially aggreived today, are we, Gil? Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #19

Never. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #22

I admire your sense of humor. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #78

religion is made up stuff. the greeks called that delusional. nt msongs Apr 2018 #24

Oh yay! Even more incomprehensible pseudo-intellectual gibberish! DetlefK Apr 2018 #26

I am suitably devastated. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #28

It is believers like you who give believers a bad name. DetlefK Apr 2018 #37

Religion is absolutely worthy of discussion. Mariana Apr 2018 #42

Hello moderate Atheist, sprinkleeninow Apr 2018 #49

Please don't underrate yourself. You are awesome. Mariana Apr 2018 #82

Well now, that's the second vote of confidence I 've been granted sprinkleeninow Apr 2018 #83

Oh, I absolutely think you're off the beam a tad. Mariana Apr 2018 #86

Pretty please, or more emphatically: sprinkleeninow Apr 2018 #88

You demonstrate a poor understanding of what the Greeks meant Major Nikon Apr 2018 #29

Demonstrate your own. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #33

For one thing the word referred to humiliation of the gods Major Nikon Apr 2018 #48

From Google guillaumeb Apr 2018 #56

From your own words... Major Nikon Apr 2018 #57

How simplistic! MineralMan Apr 2018 #59

Thank you for the lecture. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #63

Not a lecture. Links to information MineralMan Apr 2018 #64

For some reason the Giraudoux quote comes to mind. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #65

I think the most hubris is observed Eko Apr 2018 #31

But if they say that they have faith, guillaumeb Apr 2018 #34

I dont see how it isnt. Eko Apr 2018 #35

We will disagree. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #43

No, it still is. trotsky Apr 2018 #40

The people that built the titanic had faith that it couldnt sink. Eko Apr 2018 #36

actually that is untrue... uriel1972 Apr 2018 #38

This sounds like a job for... Strawman! uriel1972 Apr 2018 #39

Lots of fanatical religious people don't think so Major Nikon Apr 2018 #50

Religion is never inconvient for those you describe. They simply ignore it. What is inconvinient wasupaloopa Apr 2018 #54

Sure is hard being religious in America, isn't it? Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #55

Life was much easier when you had heretic BBQs in the town square every weekend Major Nikon Apr 2018 #58

Now those pesky blasphemers think they can have opinions and type them on the internet. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #61

How did you know that? sprinkleeninow Apr 2018 #84

Not by being religious wasupaloopa Apr 2018 #68

I accept that they believe differently. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #66

I believe you are wrong Major Nikon Apr 2018 #67

Non Sequitur. nt fleabiscuit Apr 2018 #60

A DU counterargument to Guil Bretton Garcia Apr 2018 #69

This is Gil's flattery thread Lordquinton Apr 2018 #72

That thread was posted first. MineralMan Apr 2018 #73

Guil pretends to defend openness in religion, as a major point Bretton Garcia Apr 2018 #74

Why this whole thing is so funny is a real christian, and there are only a few really Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #81

You have it BACKWARDS. Uncertainty is foundational to science and technology. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2018 #70

You sure are flattering MM with this thread Lordquinton Apr 2018 #71

So when I read MM's and others imitations of my threads? guillaumeb Apr 2018 #75

Heh-heh. 😉 sprinkleeninow Apr 2018 #85

And they love when the imitation is noticed. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #87

It's a human condition within humanity. Imitation sprinkleeninow Apr 2018 #89

D'accord. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #90

Butter Pea-can. Ou Butter Pah-cahn. Ou Butter P'can. sprinkleeninow Apr 2018 #91

This post gave me whiplash Lordquinton Apr 2018 #92

Yes. And it gets pretty Freudian in the end too. Bretton Garcia Apr 2018 #93

Dragged kicking and screaming into the 19th century Lordquinton Apr 2018 #96

File a claim for an internet forum related injury. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #97