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marylandblue

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98. It's an essential part of all your claims for faith

Thu Apr 26, 2018, 08:51 PM

Apr 2018

What ever you have faith in, is your opinion and therefore true for you, and requires no backing, brooks no argument and cannot be challenged by any requirement for evidence.

My opinion.

Magic words.

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Reconciling faith and science. [View all] guillaumeb Apr 2018 OP

I have faith IN science and I can prove it. nt Ferrets are Cool Apr 2018 #1

A nice observation. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #2

A clothed eye looks like this marylandblue Apr 2018 #3

Thank you. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #4

Religion doesn't conflict with other human areas of endeavour when it takes care not to. Girard442 Apr 2018 #5

But... uriel1972 Apr 2018 #6

My personal opinion. Identified as such. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #10

"a search for answers" trotsky Apr 2018 #7

It helps if you know some of its traits. Mariana Apr 2018 #9

The modifier "figuratively" refers to the expression "lit the spark". guillaumeb Apr 2018 #13

Thank you for clarifying, Gil, but I understood that. Mariana Apr 2018 #20

Perhaps. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #24

But did a literal Creator figuratively light the spark, or was it a figurative Creator? marylandblue Apr 2018 #56

My faith tells me that the Creator is real. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #60

Faith by definition can never verify that anything is real Bretton Garcia Apr 2018 #65

Dude, he said the magic word. trotsky Apr 2018 #76

Not a part of my claim. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #84

It's an essential part of all your claims for faith marylandblue Apr 2018 #98

No, it is not what I responded. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #99

It was the response to you, and if answered it other than by reasserting faith marylandblue Apr 2018 #102

Wow, gil sure makes some interesting definitive claims about his creator. trotsky Apr 2018 #19

That can only be answered by the one looking. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #11

Oh, so Pat Robertson's answers are just as good as yours? trotsky Apr 2018 #16

Not actually what I said. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #23

No, but it is an inescapable consequence of what you said. trotsky Apr 2018 #26

Thanks for reconfirming. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #28

You are very welcome. trotsky Apr 2018 #29

You are confirming many things. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #30

Again, I am so happy to help you understand! trotsky Apr 2018 #68

So to my mind, you should stop bringing up NOMA in conversation. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #8

The real problem they have... NeoGreen Apr 2018 #12

I understrand that this is your own belief. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #15

Correction: Science has already prevailed. NeoGreen Apr 2018 #17

"...faith that science will prevail." trotsky Apr 2018 #18

But according to NOMA, the gaps aren't relevant. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #21

Thank you for enlightening me as to my true beliefs. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #14

No problem. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #22

NOMA IS a shit idea. n/t Brainstormy Apr 2018 #104

The only way it seems edhopper Apr 2018 #25

It is easy to reconcile the 2 if one understands that their roles guillaumeb Apr 2018 #27

What do you view as their respective roles? marylandblue Apr 2018 #31

From the original article: guillaumeb Apr 2018 #32

What if you don't feel the need for salvation? marylandblue Apr 2018 #33

Ignore the part about faith. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #34

So if you don't feel the need for salvation marylandblue Apr 2018 #35

It might, for people who are searching for a moral code. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #36

So now religion has two magisteria marylandblue Apr 2018 #39

Each believer decides which areas prove useful for them. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #40

So NOMA is really just a suggestion, not a truth? marylandblue Apr 2018 #41

Define truth in a philosophical sense. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #42

I'll rephrase my question. marylandblue Apr 2018 #43

In its application, yes. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #45

Concepts are all just suggestions then? marylandblue Apr 2018 #48

You went too far. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #49

Then what did you do? marylandblue Apr 2018 #50

I put them in the class of things called "concepts". guillaumeb Apr 2018 #51

I don't see how classifying them as concepts answers my question. marylandblue Apr 2018 #53

Some concepts help us in life. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #57

So if the concept of slavery helps me in life, that's ok for me and my slaves? marylandblue Apr 2018 #61

Where did I say it was OK? guillaumeb Apr 2018 #83

I didn't say you said it was OK. marylandblue Apr 2018 #87

Ask the slaves. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #88

I realize it probably doesn't work for the slaves marylandblue Apr 2018 #89

To paraphrase further: "do to others..." guillaumeb Apr 2018 #90

Now that I think about it, maybe it will work fine for them marylandblue Apr 2018 #95

Nothing like getting your moral code from an instruction book for selling your kids into slavery Major Nikon Apr 2018 #62

The problem is his assumption the two are divisible. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #37

He believed that they were divisible. I agree. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #38

It can. marylandblue Apr 2018 #44

Social science. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #46

The one's who developed nuclear weapons actually did marylandblue Apr 2018 #47

The question is: Does religion concern itself with the physical cosmos? Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #69

We live in the physical cosmos. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #85

My dear guillaumeb: TomSlick Apr 2018 #52

I agree. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #58

Why is faith competent to tell you who and why? marylandblue Apr 2018 #64

Because that is the nature of faith. TomSlick Apr 2018 #82

And you immediately violate the separation. Voltaire2 Apr 2018 #54

There's just the initial overlap. MineralMan Apr 2018 #55

I gave my religious belief, faith based opinion. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #59

So long as you arent published you didnt contradict yourself? Major Nikon Apr 2018 #63

Read it again. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #86

Your words are making complete sentences Major Nikon Apr 2018 #91

Revealing is your misreading. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #92

Sure, because Im the only one who has no idea what you are saying Major Nikon Apr 2018 #94

To help you: guillaumeb Apr 2018 #93

Since you put it that way... Major Nikon Apr 2018 #96

Apparently you are convinced of something. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #97

True Major Nikon Apr 2018 #100

The lesson is that you apparently misread my response. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #101

Your assertion contradicts that notion Major Nikon Apr 2018 #103

No, it does not. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #105

If reason, logic, and literacy dont matter you may be on to something Major Nikon Apr 2018 #106

Wtf? Voltaire2 Apr 2018 #66

Allow me to translate. trotsky Apr 2018 #70

So, do you think your opinion is superior to the opinions MineralMan Apr 2018 #71

Since his opinions violate the 11th commandent marylandblue Apr 2018 #73

He'll just "interpret" his 11th Commandment Mariana Apr 2018 #74

Nothing a "chat" with the Grand Inquisitor can't fix marylandblue Apr 2018 #79

No. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #72

He could have left it at sparky created the universe Voltaire2 Apr 2018 #75

And that's exactly what NOMA ends up being. trotsky Apr 2018 #77

Even that is questionable. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #78

It could be either. Voltaire2 Apr 2018 #81

There is nothing, in reality, to reconcile... NeoGreen Apr 2018 #67

Squaring the circle... uriel1972 Apr 2018 #80