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It's called Lyin for the Lord... Thomas Hurt May 2018 #1
You know better than that. ollie10 May 2018 #2
Go look at the websites of major Evangelical Christian leaders. MineralMan May 2018 #4
Oh please.... ollie10 May 2018 #6
I said, APPARENTLY, MineralMan May 2018 #8
you also said " I can draw no other conclusion" ollie10 May 2018 #9
Based on what is apparent, from their open claims of Christianity MineralMan May 2018 #10
If it is your debating point that Christianity holds as a core value lying ollie10 May 2018 #13
Consider this: As an atheist, I think it's all a lie MineralMan May 2018 #16
One can certainly see why you do not wish to speak further. guillaumeb May 2018 #19
Another empty, irrelevant insult? MineralMan May 2018 #23
No, not an insult, guillaumeb May 2018 #24
Ugh! MineralMan May 2018 #25
MM, I don't understand what's happening to you, Hortensis May 2018 #31
At least this takes them away from their main internet job, promoting a certain Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #153
You can choose to respond or walk away as you choose ollie10 May 2018 #26
.. MineralMan May 2018 #27
... ollie10 May 2018 #28
Seriously? Major Nikon May 2018 #49
.. ollie10 May 2018 #50
Well... NeoGreen May 2018 #57
No, the OP said ollie10 May 2018 #61
So, what is your opinion... NeoGreen May 2018 #64
If you are going to talk about "hard ons" I think perhaps you are being disrespectful ollie10 May 2018 #67
"You can choose to respond or walk away as you choose"... NeoGreen May 2018 #68
... ollie10 May 2018 #69
... NeoGreen May 2018 #70
I don't know why you are trying to bait me with these posters I have never heard of ollie10 May 2018 #71
... NeoGreen May 2018 #72
There are 2 possibilities here... NeoGreen May 2018 #73
This message was self-deleted by its author ollie10 May 2018 #74
.... ollie10 May 2018 #75
One less sock today in the group Major Nikon May 2018 #80
Yep...and that was a particularly fast... NeoGreen May 2018 #81
Certainly makes one a believer in the resurrection Major Nikon May 2018 #82
Good one (nt) NeoGreen May 2018 #83
That's a "No true Scotsman"-fallacy. Why aren't atheists allowed to use this fallacy??? DetlefK May 2018 #5
If you think a religion makes lying one of the ten commandments ollie10 May 2018 #7
It made killing rebellious kids one of them Major Nikon May 2018 #34
Nice try Major ollie10 May 2018 #36
Nice try ollie Major Nikon May 2018 #39
Again, if you cannot find that a central point of the bible was lying..... ollie10 May 2018 #41
Funny how you didn't answer the question Major Nikon May 2018 #42
the topic that preceeded your post was whether a central message of the bible was lying ollie10 May 2018 #44
I'm discussing exactly that topic Major Nikon May 2018 #47
The bible is a big book ollie10 May 2018 #53
Sure, because the bible is "metaphorical" right? Except when you don't want it to be Major Nikon May 2018 #56
... ollie10 May 2018 #59
I was hoping you'd give me another lesson on how "Honor Thy Mother and Father" isn't one of the 10 Major Nikon May 2018 #60
wow....I didn't say that ollie10 May 2018 #62
You can take this as your daily bible lesson and proof you just violated the 9th Commandment Major Nikon May 2018 #65
.... ollie10 May 2018 #112
If your child cursed you, would you put them to death? Major Nikon May 2018 #33
If you couldn't find where a central point of the Bible was lying and corruption ollie10 May 2018 #35
No less obscure than the ones you found Major Nikon May 2018 #37
The only bible verse I pointed to was the Ten Commandments! ollie10 May 2018 #38
... Major Nikon May 2018 #40
your verse was from leviticus, not the ten commandments ollie10 May 2018 #43
Fail Major Nikon May 2018 #45
leviticus 20:9 ollie10 May 2018 #46
Fail Major Nikon May 2018 #48
... ollie10 May 2018 #51
Ah shucks, I was so looking forward to you explaining how you didn't fail Major Nikon May 2018 #52
.... ollie10 May 2018 #63
... Major Nikon May 2018 #66
He's really cutting to the chase with the no content replies Lordquinton May 2018 #85
I'm OK if they want to claim it's all metaphorical Major Nikon May 2018 #86
I didn't say it was all metaphorical ollie10 May 2018 #113
I didn't say you did Major Nikon May 2018 #115
really? ollie10 May 2018 #118
I also got your condescension Major Nikon May 2018 #119
nobody was talking about the 4th commandment, that was a diversion ollie10 May 2018 #120
So the 9th Commandment wasn't a diversion, but the 4th was? Major Nikon May 2018 #122
... ollie10 May 2018 #123
. Major Nikon May 2018 #125
Others have Lordquinton May 2018 #158
Seems we're back to another trope they love Lordquinton May 2018 #159
Either the commandments are carried over into the NT or they are not. Which is it? Voltaire2 May 2018 #89
I was referring to the ten commandments,leviticus ollie10 May 2018 #92
I read the thread. Voltaire2 May 2018 #94
I am supposed to take bible study from an atheist?!!! ollie10 May 2018 #98
You should at least read the 10 Commandments before you engage in your own bible study lesson Major Nikon May 2018 #102
-- ollie10 May 2018 #106
! Major Nikon May 2018 #107
Please tell us again how "honor thy mother and father" isn't one of the 10 commandments Major Nikon May 2018 #101
I was reponding to a post who referenced leviticus 20:9 ollie10 May 2018 #108
So much for the prohibition on lying, eh? Major Nikon May 2018 #110
Off topic ollie10 May 2018 #111
I was talking about the 10 commandments and you replied to me Major Nikon May 2018 #114
1) Jesus told followers to be sly as snakes. Bretton Garcia May 2018 #54
under certain cirumstances, of course ollie10 May 2018 #58
4) God confused us at Babel Bretton Garcia May 2018 #76
.... ollie10 May 2018 #79
1) God not only allows what appear to be lies to us; Bretton Garcia May 2018 #84
so unlike Kant your god thinks ethics are not universal but are relative? Voltaire2 May 2018 #90
and if I said the reverse, you would attack god also ollie10 May 2018 #91
Ethics is difficult! Voltaire2 May 2018 #95
.. ollie10 May 2018 #99
God is usually presented as unchanging Bretton Garcia May 2018 #96
I didn't say ethics was simple ollie10 May 2018 #100
Where's that photo of the Nazi belt buckle,.. Bretton Garcia May 2018 #116
your dislike of religion is noted ollie10 May 2018 #117
The simplistic forms of religion have often prevailed Bretton Garcia May 2018 #121
And the most simplisic of non-theists have often prevailed...... Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin..... ollie10 May 2018 #124
You can say atheism is the cause of genocide and wars all you want Major Nikon May 2018 #126
didn't say that at all ollie10 May 2018 #133
So I'm supposed to make a deal to prevent you from demonstrating ignorance? Major Nikon May 2018 #136
do you think stalin was a theist? hitler? pol pot? ollie10 May 2018 #138
No, yes, no Major Nikon May 2018 #139
I posted with several links above ollie10 May 2018 #146
None of your links suggested Hitler was an atheist Major Nikon May 2018 #147
I didn't say he was an atheist ollie10 May 2018 #150
So why even mention him along with atheism? Major Nikon May 2018 #155
Why do you limit your count to the last century? Mariana May 2018 #130
you could go back further ollie10 May 2018 #135
Hitler, many sources say, was a Catholic altar boy Bretton Garcia May 2018 #131
hitler was not religious according to the wide consensus of historians ollie10 May 2018 #134
Almost all of Hitlers followers were Christians. Mariana May 2018 #140
hitler used religious people to get into power ollie10 May 2018 #145
That's false too. Christian symbolism and Voltaire2 May 2018 #149
read this, with sources ollie10 May 2018 #152
About 99% of Germans were Christian when Hitler came to power. Mariana May 2018 #156
Christians are embarrassed by Hitler.of course Bretton Garcia May 2018 #141
again, no links ollie10 May 2018 #144
Are the vast majority of historians denying Mariana May 2018 #160
Hitler was an anti-Christian ollie10 May 2018 #161
People like Hitler can't do a damn thing Mariana May 2018 #162
... ollie10 May 2018 #165
The Nazi party was working on removing Voltaire2 May 2018 #164
nobody said he was an atheist ollie10 May 2018 #166
So justin time you are now nobody? Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #169
Non-theist was the word ollie10 Jun 2018 #171
A non-theist believes in how many gods? Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #174
non-theism defined ollie10 Jun 2018 #175
Oh I see. Thanks! Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #179
no, I simply labeled them as non-theists ollie10 Jun 2018 #182
Oh. So basically you want to have it both ways. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #183
no. I simply posted a definition ollie10 Jun 2018 #185
Nope. Your -definition- changes based on Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #187
... ollie10 Jun 2018 #188
1. You claimed that pol pot, stalin and hitler were non-theists Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #189
Don't you have something better to do ollie10 Jun 2018 #190
Yes well i suppose changing the subject is a good idea Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #191
.... ollie10 Jun 2018 #192
the majority of germans were christians ollie10 May 2018 #163
Someone doesn't get to be a dictator Mariana May 2018 #167
If you don't think hitler was the most responsible ollie10 Jun 2018 #172
Hitler was responsible, but he couldn't have done it alone. Mariana Jun 2018 #176
If you read my post you would know I said plenty of blame to go around ollie10 Jun 2018 #177
you didn't do your homework on Pope Benedict ollie10 May 2018 #137
Speaking. to Germans after the war,few would acknowledge ties with Nazism. Bretton Garcia May 2018 #142
my post had several links ollie10 May 2018 #143
I've substantiated some links in the past. Bretton Garcia May 2018 #157
You said..."and don't forget all those times the Bible told priests that lying is godly..." ollie10 Jun 2018 #178
Suddenly nobody was a Nazi and nobody knew anything Voltaire2 May 2018 #148
Catholics, Christians, were in Denial Bretton Garcia Jun 2018 #170
So the guy who was drafted at a young age ollie10 Jun 2018 #173
The Pope? Not a dedicated Nazi. But not a saint or holy person either. Bretton Garcia Jun 2018 #180
and what was the penalty for desertion in nazi germany? ollie10 Jun 2018 #181
Old enough. How old are you? Bretton Garcia Jun 2018 #184
old enough. ollie10 Jun 2018 #186
You are saying that Jesus would've joined the Nazis Bretton Garcia Jun 2018 #193
I did not say jesus would have joined the nazis ollie10 Jun 2018 #194
Popes copy or represent Jesus, they say. Bretton Garcia Jun 2018 #195
Are you saying you have to be christ to be pope? ollie10 Jun 2018 #196
Where is the nuance in that world view? eom guillaumeb Jun 2018 #197
no room for nuance.... ollie10 Jun 2018 #199
"Greasy Grace" is one way Christians evade accountability Bretton Garcia Jun 2018 #200
well, be an atheist ollie10 Jun 2018 #202
Define "evangelical atheist" please. nt. Mariana Jun 2018 #203
Some one who is an atheist but acts like an evangelical ollie10 Jun 2018 #206
You're misusing the word "evangelical". Mariana Jun 2018 #216
you're right, maybe evangelical is the wrong word ollie10 Jun 2018 #217
Those aren't all exact synonyms marylandblue Jun 2018 #218
I gave a few descriptions ollie10 Jun 2018 #219
Because it seems unclear, at least to me marylandblue Jun 2018 #221
I am sorry if it is unclear for you ollie10 Jun 2018 #222
Don't be arrogant yourself marylandblue Jun 2018 #223
He's criticizing atheist behavior, of course. Mariana Jun 2018 #224
as we see up thread that seems to deprive Ollie of his right to believe stuff. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #225
I guess that means he can't be a Christian anymore. Mariana Jun 2018 #226
Maybe his ... replies are morse code? Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #227
... Mariana Jun 2018 #229
I am not the only poster on this board to use the ... Even the OP did! ollie10 Jun 2018 #233
no. i made myself clear. didn't say that ollie10 Jun 2018 #232
I don't know why you're getting upset and offended. Mariana Jun 2018 #234
I am a democrat. dissing a religion is contrary to democratic principles ollie10 Jun 2018 #238
Could you clarify that statement please? Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #240
let me be clear ollie10 Jun 2018 #241
So all religions. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #242
Isis is not a religion, last I checked ollie10 Jun 2018 #243
Isis has religious leaders. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #245
I will try to spell it out so that even you can understand ollie10 Jun 2018 #246
Didn't answer the question at all. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #248
why would you want to? ollie10 Jun 2018 #249
Why would I want to disrespect religious beliefs Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #265
so circular logic? ollie10 Jun 2018 #266
Do you think that abhorrent and Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #268
It is only your contemptuous opinion ollie10 Jun 2018 #269
It was a simple question: do you think harmful and abhorrent beliefs Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #271
It depends ollie10 Jun 2018 #273
One more time before I conclude that you Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #275
one more time before I conclude that you are simply being rude ollie10 Jun 2018 #276
And once again you cannot answer the question Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #277
This message was self-deleted by its author ollie10 Jun 2018 #278
nice bit of projection there, friend! ollie10 Jun 2018 #279
There views we all agree are so abhorrent, nobody wants to own them marylandblue Jun 2018 #280
True enough ollie10 Jun 2018 #282
You just conflated respect for rights Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #285
you. just. don't. get. it. ollie10 Jun 2018 #286
Well, you have an answer. Mariana Jun 2018 #252
how much grease did you have to use to twist logic that far? ollie10 Jun 2018 #255
Would you please spell President Obama's name correctly? Mariana Jun 2018 #257
Oh the spelling/typo gestapo is alive and well! ollie10 Jun 2018 #260
Well, you can badmouth Evangelical Christians, I guess. Mariana Jun 2018 #259
crickets ollie10 Jun 2018 #261
Ollie, here is a link to the Democratic Party Platform. Mariana Jun 2018 #250
Don't you agree with Hillary and Barack? ollie10 Jun 2018 #251
I see. When we do it, it's in opposition to Democratic principles. Mariana Jun 2018 #256
nice try ollie10 Jun 2018 #258
The important part is you found a way to feel superior to people who feel superior to people. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2018 #267
As opposed, I guess, to people who are just self-righteous in general marylandblue Jun 2018 #236
there are self righteous people in the evangelical right ollie10 Jun 2018 #239
oh please. I was clear ollie10 Jun 2018 #231
Suit yourself marylandblue Jun 2018 #235
bunk ollie10 Jun 2018 #237
I am not sure why you think it's bunk marylandblue Jun 2018 #244
who here is advocating that your right to believe any goofy nonsense you choose Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #204
Thanks for illustrating ollie10 Jun 2018 #207
as usual a vapid empty irrelevant response. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #208
... ollie10 Jun 2018 #210
Try defending your statement: religious people have a right to their beliefs too Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #211
... ollie10 Jun 2018 #212
I'll take that as conceding that your point is indefensible. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #213
.... ollie10 Jun 2018 #214
And a 4 dotter response is: begging for forgiveness Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #215
... ollie10 Jun 2018 #220
You bring up Nazi beliefs ollie10 Jun 2018 #270
So, you'll allow someone to be an atheist, MineralMan Jun 2018 #205
... ollie10 Jun 2018 #209
It's hard to argue with liberal Christians and religious millennials. Bretton Garcia Jun 2018 #247
This message was self-deleted by its author ollie10 Jun 2018 #262
However? I thank you for mentioning these sermons Bretton Garcia Jun 2018 #272
As they say...speak for yourself ollie10 Jun 2018 #274
Presenting other liberal Christian doctrines,.would. be useful, Bretton Garcia Jun 2018 #289
Some lying is prohibited, but slavery, child rape, and killing kids for disobedience isn't Major Nikon May 2018 #103
As if JESUS has anything to do with the VAST VAST VAST majority of christians. Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #151
I don't know about the numbers.... ollie10 May 2018 #154
Thanks for shinning a light Wellstone ruled May 2018 #3
MM saidsimplesimon May 2018 #11
Well, we all follow our own unique path. MineralMan May 2018 #12
You are welcome. saidsimplesimon May 2018 #14
It works for Republicans CaseyinSeattle May 2018 #15
I paused when reading this, guillaumeb May 2018 #17
Still, you managed to squeeze out a content-free, snarky reply MineralMan May 2018 #18
I like to match the reply to the post. guillaumeb May 2018 #20
More irrelevancies... MineralMan May 2018 #21
Ironic. eom guillaumeb May 2018 #22
In that spirit, you are wrong Major Nikon May 2018 #88
We disagree. eom guillaumeb May 2018 #93
You're still wrong. Major Nikon May 2018 #97
Hi MineralMan - Thank you for starting this discussion. Pendrench May 2018 #29
Thank you for your thoughtful reply. MineralMan May 2018 #30
You are very welcome. Pendrench May 2018 #32
When the bible is metaphorical, as some insist, anything can be a Christian value Major Nikon May 2018 #55
I have reached a different coinclusion vlyons May 2018 #77
I think you chose the wrong word Cartoonist May 2018 #78
If God created us in his own image, we have more than reciprocated. Major Nikon May 2018 #87
Either that or there are certainly not many real Christians in America. Seems to me the majority of OregonBlue May 2018 #104
Well, I know a few people who try very hard to live in a way MineralMan May 2018 #105
Agreed. I have met some real Christians in my life and they were absolutely amazing. They are few OregonBlue May 2018 #109
I'm not convinced it was any different back then Major Nikon May 2018 #127
And yet, most of those Christians' faith in Christ is real Mariana May 2018 #132
The bible is perfectly clear Major Nikon May 2018 #168
Just 'cause they're bad christians, doesn't mean they're not christians. Iggo Jun 2018 #198
American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War on America malchickiwick May 2018 #128
Yes, the goal of the Dominionists should be in all of our minds. MineralMan May 2018 #129
I have always loved your posts.... chillfactor Jun 2018 #201
It's All About White Male Supremacy dlk Jun 2018 #228
You may well have something there. MineralMan Jun 2018 #230
I was told that they can do anything because WhiteTara Jun 2018 #253
Well, as an atheist, I don't believe a word of that. MineralMan Jun 2018 #254
When I pointed that out, the man sort WhiteTara Jun 2018 #263
Yup. They tend to do that. MineralMan Jun 2018 #264
Yet another thread hijacked by irrelevant subthreads MineralMan Jun 2018 #281
They're not entirely useless. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2018 #283
Well, there is that, of course. MineralMan Jun 2018 #284
The sub threads are illustrative of your op's thesis. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #287
Aha! So they are... MineralMan Jun 2018 #288
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