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ollie10

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152. read this, with sources
Thu May 31, 2018, 04:52 PM
May 2018
Once in office, Hitler and his regime sought to reduce the influence of Christianity on society.[19] From the mid-1930s, his government was increasingly dominated by militant anti-church proponents like Goebbels, Bormann, Himmler, Rosenberg and Heydrich whom Hitler appointed to key posts.[20] These anti-church radicals were generally permitted or encouraged to perpetrate the Nazi persecutions of the churches.[21] The regime launched an effort toward coordination of German Protestants under a unified Protestant Reich Church (but this was resisted by the Confessing Church), and moved early to eliminate political Catholicism.[22] Hitler agreed to the Reich concordat with the Vatican, but then routinely ignored it, and permitted persecutions of the Catholic Church.[23] Smaller religious minorities faced harsher repression, with the Jews of Germany expelled for extermination on the grounds of Nazi racial ideology. Jehovah's Witnesses were ruthlessly persecuted for refusing both military service and allegiance to Hitler's movement. Hitler said he anticipated a coming collapse of Christianity in the wake of scientific advances, and that Nazism and religion could not co-exist long term.[1] Although he was prepared to delay conflicts for political reasons, historians conclude that he ultimately intended the destruction of Christianity in Germany, or at least its distortion or subjugation to a Nazi outlook.[24]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler
It's called Lyin for the Lord... Thomas Hurt May 2018 #1
You know better than that. ollie10 May 2018 #2
Go look at the websites of major Evangelical Christian leaders. MineralMan May 2018 #4
Oh please.... ollie10 May 2018 #6
I said, APPARENTLY, MineralMan May 2018 #8
you also said " I can draw no other conclusion" ollie10 May 2018 #9
Based on what is apparent, from their open claims of Christianity MineralMan May 2018 #10
If it is your debating point that Christianity holds as a core value lying ollie10 May 2018 #13
Consider this: As an atheist, I think it's all a lie MineralMan May 2018 #16
One can certainly see why you do not wish to speak further. guillaumeb May 2018 #19
Another empty, irrelevant insult? MineralMan May 2018 #23
No, not an insult, guillaumeb May 2018 #24
Ugh! MineralMan May 2018 #25
MM, I don't understand what's happening to you, Hortensis May 2018 #31
At least this takes them away from their main internet job, promoting a certain Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #153
You can choose to respond or walk away as you choose ollie10 May 2018 #26
.. MineralMan May 2018 #27
... ollie10 May 2018 #28
Seriously? Major Nikon May 2018 #49
.. ollie10 May 2018 #50
Well... NeoGreen May 2018 #57
No, the OP said ollie10 May 2018 #61
So, what is your opinion... NeoGreen May 2018 #64
If you are going to talk about "hard ons" I think perhaps you are being disrespectful ollie10 May 2018 #67
"You can choose to respond or walk away as you choose"... NeoGreen May 2018 #68
... ollie10 May 2018 #69
... NeoGreen May 2018 #70
I don't know why you are trying to bait me with these posters I have never heard of ollie10 May 2018 #71
... NeoGreen May 2018 #72
There are 2 possibilities here... NeoGreen May 2018 #73
This message was self-deleted by its author ollie10 May 2018 #74
.... ollie10 May 2018 #75
One less sock today in the group Major Nikon May 2018 #80
Yep...and that was a particularly fast... NeoGreen May 2018 #81
Certainly makes one a believer in the resurrection Major Nikon May 2018 #82
Good one (nt) NeoGreen May 2018 #83
That's a "No true Scotsman"-fallacy. Why aren't atheists allowed to use this fallacy??? DetlefK May 2018 #5
If you think a religion makes lying one of the ten commandments ollie10 May 2018 #7
It made killing rebellious kids one of them Major Nikon May 2018 #34
Nice try Major ollie10 May 2018 #36
Nice try ollie Major Nikon May 2018 #39
Again, if you cannot find that a central point of the bible was lying..... ollie10 May 2018 #41
Funny how you didn't answer the question Major Nikon May 2018 #42
the topic that preceeded your post was whether a central message of the bible was lying ollie10 May 2018 #44
I'm discussing exactly that topic Major Nikon May 2018 #47
The bible is a big book ollie10 May 2018 #53
Sure, because the bible is "metaphorical" right? Except when you don't want it to be Major Nikon May 2018 #56
... ollie10 May 2018 #59
I was hoping you'd give me another lesson on how "Honor Thy Mother and Father" isn't one of the 10 Major Nikon May 2018 #60
wow....I didn't say that ollie10 May 2018 #62
You can take this as your daily bible lesson and proof you just violated the 9th Commandment Major Nikon May 2018 #65
.... ollie10 May 2018 #112
If your child cursed you, would you put them to death? Major Nikon May 2018 #33
If you couldn't find where a central point of the Bible was lying and corruption ollie10 May 2018 #35
No less obscure than the ones you found Major Nikon May 2018 #37
The only bible verse I pointed to was the Ten Commandments! ollie10 May 2018 #38
... Major Nikon May 2018 #40
your verse was from leviticus, not the ten commandments ollie10 May 2018 #43
Fail Major Nikon May 2018 #45
leviticus 20:9 ollie10 May 2018 #46
Fail Major Nikon May 2018 #48
... ollie10 May 2018 #51
Ah shucks, I was so looking forward to you explaining how you didn't fail Major Nikon May 2018 #52
.... ollie10 May 2018 #63
... Major Nikon May 2018 #66
He's really cutting to the chase with the no content replies Lordquinton May 2018 #85
I'm OK if they want to claim it's all metaphorical Major Nikon May 2018 #86
I didn't say it was all metaphorical ollie10 May 2018 #113
I didn't say you did Major Nikon May 2018 #115
really? ollie10 May 2018 #118
I also got your condescension Major Nikon May 2018 #119
nobody was talking about the 4th commandment, that was a diversion ollie10 May 2018 #120
So the 9th Commandment wasn't a diversion, but the 4th was? Major Nikon May 2018 #122
... ollie10 May 2018 #123
. Major Nikon May 2018 #125
Others have Lordquinton May 2018 #158
Seems we're back to another trope they love Lordquinton May 2018 #159
Either the commandments are carried over into the NT or they are not. Which is it? Voltaire2 May 2018 #89
I was referring to the ten commandments,leviticus ollie10 May 2018 #92
I read the thread. Voltaire2 May 2018 #94
I am supposed to take bible study from an atheist?!!! ollie10 May 2018 #98
You should at least read the 10 Commandments before you engage in your own bible study lesson Major Nikon May 2018 #102
-- ollie10 May 2018 #106
! Major Nikon May 2018 #107
Please tell us again how "honor thy mother and father" isn't one of the 10 commandments Major Nikon May 2018 #101
I was reponding to a post who referenced leviticus 20:9 ollie10 May 2018 #108
So much for the prohibition on lying, eh? Major Nikon May 2018 #110
Off topic ollie10 May 2018 #111
I was talking about the 10 commandments and you replied to me Major Nikon May 2018 #114
1) Jesus told followers to be sly as snakes. Bretton Garcia May 2018 #54
under certain cirumstances, of course ollie10 May 2018 #58
4) God confused us at Babel Bretton Garcia May 2018 #76
.... ollie10 May 2018 #79
1) God not only allows what appear to be lies to us; Bretton Garcia May 2018 #84
so unlike Kant your god thinks ethics are not universal but are relative? Voltaire2 May 2018 #90
and if I said the reverse, you would attack god also ollie10 May 2018 #91
Ethics is difficult! Voltaire2 May 2018 #95
.. ollie10 May 2018 #99
God is usually presented as unchanging Bretton Garcia May 2018 #96
I didn't say ethics was simple ollie10 May 2018 #100
Where's that photo of the Nazi belt buckle,.. Bretton Garcia May 2018 #116
your dislike of religion is noted ollie10 May 2018 #117
The simplistic forms of religion have often prevailed Bretton Garcia May 2018 #121
And the most simplisic of non-theists have often prevailed...... Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin..... ollie10 May 2018 #124
You can say atheism is the cause of genocide and wars all you want Major Nikon May 2018 #126
didn't say that at all ollie10 May 2018 #133
So I'm supposed to make a deal to prevent you from demonstrating ignorance? Major Nikon May 2018 #136
do you think stalin was a theist? hitler? pol pot? ollie10 May 2018 #138
No, yes, no Major Nikon May 2018 #139
I posted with several links above ollie10 May 2018 #146
None of your links suggested Hitler was an atheist Major Nikon May 2018 #147
I didn't say he was an atheist ollie10 May 2018 #150
So why even mention him along with atheism? Major Nikon May 2018 #155
Why do you limit your count to the last century? Mariana May 2018 #130
you could go back further ollie10 May 2018 #135
Hitler, many sources say, was a Catholic altar boy Bretton Garcia May 2018 #131
hitler was not religious according to the wide consensus of historians ollie10 May 2018 #134
Almost all of Hitlers followers were Christians. Mariana May 2018 #140
hitler used religious people to get into power ollie10 May 2018 #145
That's false too. Christian symbolism and Voltaire2 May 2018 #149
read this, with sources ollie10 May 2018 #152
About 99% of Germans were Christian when Hitler came to power. Mariana May 2018 #156
Christians are embarrassed by Hitler.of course Bretton Garcia May 2018 #141
again, no links ollie10 May 2018 #144
Are the vast majority of historians denying Mariana May 2018 #160
Hitler was an anti-Christian ollie10 May 2018 #161
People like Hitler can't do a damn thing Mariana May 2018 #162
... ollie10 May 2018 #165
The Nazi party was working on removing Voltaire2 May 2018 #164
nobody said he was an atheist ollie10 May 2018 #166
So justin time you are now nobody? Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #169
Non-theist was the word ollie10 Jun 2018 #171
A non-theist believes in how many gods? Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #174
non-theism defined ollie10 Jun 2018 #175
Oh I see. Thanks! Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #179
no, I simply labeled them as non-theists ollie10 Jun 2018 #182
Oh. So basically you want to have it both ways. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #183
no. I simply posted a definition ollie10 Jun 2018 #185
Nope. Your -definition- changes based on Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #187
... ollie10 Jun 2018 #188
1. You claimed that pol pot, stalin and hitler were non-theists Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #189
Don't you have something better to do ollie10 Jun 2018 #190
Yes well i suppose changing the subject is a good idea Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #191
.... ollie10 Jun 2018 #192
the majority of germans were christians ollie10 May 2018 #163
Someone doesn't get to be a dictator Mariana May 2018 #167
If you don't think hitler was the most responsible ollie10 Jun 2018 #172
Hitler was responsible, but he couldn't have done it alone. Mariana Jun 2018 #176
If you read my post you would know I said plenty of blame to go around ollie10 Jun 2018 #177
you didn't do your homework on Pope Benedict ollie10 May 2018 #137
Speaking. to Germans after the war,few would acknowledge ties with Nazism. Bretton Garcia May 2018 #142
my post had several links ollie10 May 2018 #143
I've substantiated some links in the past. Bretton Garcia May 2018 #157
You said..."and don't forget all those times the Bible told priests that lying is godly..." ollie10 Jun 2018 #178
Suddenly nobody was a Nazi and nobody knew anything Voltaire2 May 2018 #148
Catholics, Christians, were in Denial Bretton Garcia Jun 2018 #170
So the guy who was drafted at a young age ollie10 Jun 2018 #173
The Pope? Not a dedicated Nazi. But not a saint or holy person either. Bretton Garcia Jun 2018 #180
and what was the penalty for desertion in nazi germany? ollie10 Jun 2018 #181
Old enough. How old are you? Bretton Garcia Jun 2018 #184
old enough. ollie10 Jun 2018 #186
You are saying that Jesus would've joined the Nazis Bretton Garcia Jun 2018 #193
I did not say jesus would have joined the nazis ollie10 Jun 2018 #194
Popes copy or represent Jesus, they say. Bretton Garcia Jun 2018 #195
Are you saying you have to be christ to be pope? ollie10 Jun 2018 #196
Where is the nuance in that world view? eom guillaumeb Jun 2018 #197
no room for nuance.... ollie10 Jun 2018 #199
"Greasy Grace" is one way Christians evade accountability Bretton Garcia Jun 2018 #200
well, be an atheist ollie10 Jun 2018 #202
Define "evangelical atheist" please. nt. Mariana Jun 2018 #203
Some one who is an atheist but acts like an evangelical ollie10 Jun 2018 #206
You're misusing the word "evangelical". Mariana Jun 2018 #216
you're right, maybe evangelical is the wrong word ollie10 Jun 2018 #217
Those aren't all exact synonyms marylandblue Jun 2018 #218
I gave a few descriptions ollie10 Jun 2018 #219
Because it seems unclear, at least to me marylandblue Jun 2018 #221
I am sorry if it is unclear for you ollie10 Jun 2018 #222
Don't be arrogant yourself marylandblue Jun 2018 #223
He's criticizing atheist behavior, of course. Mariana Jun 2018 #224
as we see up thread that seems to deprive Ollie of his right to believe stuff. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #225
I guess that means he can't be a Christian anymore. Mariana Jun 2018 #226
Maybe his ... replies are morse code? Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #227
... Mariana Jun 2018 #229
I am not the only poster on this board to use the ... Even the OP did! ollie10 Jun 2018 #233
no. i made myself clear. didn't say that ollie10 Jun 2018 #232
I don't know why you're getting upset and offended. Mariana Jun 2018 #234
I am a democrat. dissing a religion is contrary to democratic principles ollie10 Jun 2018 #238
Could you clarify that statement please? Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #240
let me be clear ollie10 Jun 2018 #241
So all religions. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #242
Isis is not a religion, last I checked ollie10 Jun 2018 #243
Isis has religious leaders. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #245
I will try to spell it out so that even you can understand ollie10 Jun 2018 #246
Didn't answer the question at all. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #248
why would you want to? ollie10 Jun 2018 #249
Why would I want to disrespect religious beliefs Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #265
so circular logic? ollie10 Jun 2018 #266
Do you think that abhorrent and Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #268
It is only your contemptuous opinion ollie10 Jun 2018 #269
It was a simple question: do you think harmful and abhorrent beliefs Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #271
It depends ollie10 Jun 2018 #273
One more time before I conclude that you Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #275
one more time before I conclude that you are simply being rude ollie10 Jun 2018 #276
And once again you cannot answer the question Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #277
This message was self-deleted by its author ollie10 Jun 2018 #278
nice bit of projection there, friend! ollie10 Jun 2018 #279
There views we all agree are so abhorrent, nobody wants to own them marylandblue Jun 2018 #280
True enough ollie10 Jun 2018 #282
You just conflated respect for rights Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #285
you. just. don't. get. it. ollie10 Jun 2018 #286
Well, you have an answer. Mariana Jun 2018 #252
how much grease did you have to use to twist logic that far? ollie10 Jun 2018 #255
Would you please spell President Obama's name correctly? Mariana Jun 2018 #257
Oh the spelling/typo gestapo is alive and well! ollie10 Jun 2018 #260
Well, you can badmouth Evangelical Christians, I guess. Mariana Jun 2018 #259
crickets ollie10 Jun 2018 #261
Ollie, here is a link to the Democratic Party Platform. Mariana Jun 2018 #250
Don't you agree with Hillary and Barack? ollie10 Jun 2018 #251
I see. When we do it, it's in opposition to Democratic principles. Mariana Jun 2018 #256
nice try ollie10 Jun 2018 #258
The important part is you found a way to feel superior to people who feel superior to people. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2018 #267
As opposed, I guess, to people who are just self-righteous in general marylandblue Jun 2018 #236
there are self righteous people in the evangelical right ollie10 Jun 2018 #239
oh please. I was clear ollie10 Jun 2018 #231
Suit yourself marylandblue Jun 2018 #235
bunk ollie10 Jun 2018 #237
I am not sure why you think it's bunk marylandblue Jun 2018 #244
who here is advocating that your right to believe any goofy nonsense you choose Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #204
Thanks for illustrating ollie10 Jun 2018 #207
as usual a vapid empty irrelevant response. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #208
... ollie10 Jun 2018 #210
Try defending your statement: religious people have a right to their beliefs too Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #211
... ollie10 Jun 2018 #212
I'll take that as conceding that your point is indefensible. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #213
.... ollie10 Jun 2018 #214
And a 4 dotter response is: begging for forgiveness Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #215
... ollie10 Jun 2018 #220
You bring up Nazi beliefs ollie10 Jun 2018 #270
So, you'll allow someone to be an atheist, MineralMan Jun 2018 #205
... ollie10 Jun 2018 #209
It's hard to argue with liberal Christians and religious millennials. Bretton Garcia Jun 2018 #247
This message was self-deleted by its author ollie10 Jun 2018 #262
However? I thank you for mentioning these sermons Bretton Garcia Jun 2018 #272
As they say...speak for yourself ollie10 Jun 2018 #274
Presenting other liberal Christian doctrines,.would. be useful, Bretton Garcia Jun 2018 #289
Some lying is prohibited, but slavery, child rape, and killing kids for disobedience isn't Major Nikon May 2018 #103
As if JESUS has anything to do with the VAST VAST VAST majority of christians. Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #151
I don't know about the numbers.... ollie10 May 2018 #154
Thanks for shinning a light Wellstone ruled May 2018 #3
MM saidsimplesimon May 2018 #11
Well, we all follow our own unique path. MineralMan May 2018 #12
You are welcome. saidsimplesimon May 2018 #14
It works for Republicans CaseyinSeattle May 2018 #15
I paused when reading this, guillaumeb May 2018 #17
Still, you managed to squeeze out a content-free, snarky reply MineralMan May 2018 #18
I like to match the reply to the post. guillaumeb May 2018 #20
More irrelevancies... MineralMan May 2018 #21
Ironic. eom guillaumeb May 2018 #22
In that spirit, you are wrong Major Nikon May 2018 #88
We disagree. eom guillaumeb May 2018 #93
You're still wrong. Major Nikon May 2018 #97
Hi MineralMan - Thank you for starting this discussion. Pendrench May 2018 #29
Thank you for your thoughtful reply. MineralMan May 2018 #30
You are very welcome. Pendrench May 2018 #32
When the bible is metaphorical, as some insist, anything can be a Christian value Major Nikon May 2018 #55
I have reached a different coinclusion vlyons May 2018 #77
I think you chose the wrong word Cartoonist May 2018 #78
If God created us in his own image, we have more than reciprocated. Major Nikon May 2018 #87
Either that or there are certainly not many real Christians in America. Seems to me the majority of OregonBlue May 2018 #104
Well, I know a few people who try very hard to live in a way MineralMan May 2018 #105
Agreed. I have met some real Christians in my life and they were absolutely amazing. They are few OregonBlue May 2018 #109
I'm not convinced it was any different back then Major Nikon May 2018 #127
And yet, most of those Christians' faith in Christ is real Mariana May 2018 #132
The bible is perfectly clear Major Nikon May 2018 #168
Just 'cause they're bad christians, doesn't mean they're not christians. Iggo Jun 2018 #198
American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War on America malchickiwick May 2018 #128
Yes, the goal of the Dominionists should be in all of our minds. MineralMan May 2018 #129
I have always loved your posts.... chillfactor Jun 2018 #201
It's All About White Male Supremacy dlk Jun 2018 #228
You may well have something there. MineralMan Jun 2018 #230
I was told that they can do anything because WhiteTara Jun 2018 #253
Well, as an atheist, I don't believe a word of that. MineralMan Jun 2018 #254
When I pointed that out, the man sort WhiteTara Jun 2018 #263
Yup. They tend to do that. MineralMan Jun 2018 #264
Yet another thread hijacked by irrelevant subthreads MineralMan Jun 2018 #281
They're not entirely useless. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2018 #283
Well, there is that, of course. MineralMan Jun 2018 #284
The sub threads are illustrative of your op's thesis. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #287
Aha! So they are... MineralMan Jun 2018 #288
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