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guillaumeb

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Thu Jul 5, 2018, 09:26 PM Jul 2018

Rumi and the Vision of the Qur'an [View all]

From the article:

The peerless God has made all the six directions a theater
for the display of His signs to the clear-seeing,
so that, whatever animal or plant they look upon,
they may feed on the meadows of divine Beauty.
And so He said to the mystic companions,
“Wherever you turn, there is the face of God.”


To read more:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/livingtradition/2018/07/1036/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Muslim&utm_content=49

The poem is just a small part of the article, but it so well expresses my own view that I put it at the beginning of the link.
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Rumi and the Vision of the Qur'an [View all] guillaumeb Jul 2018 OP
Meanwhile others who read the same book have their own vision Major Nikon Jul 2018 #1
And so it is with all scriptures and all religions. MineralMan Jul 2018 #3
That's how theists view the world around them. MineralMan Jul 2018 #2
This part is rich edhopper Jul 2018 #4
Or.............. guillaumeb Jul 2018 #6
What about the free will of people who don't want to be murdered in a religious dispute? trotsky Jul 2018 #7
You seem confused about the concept of free will. guillaumeb Jul 2018 #12
I'm not "confused" about anything. Typical personal attack from you. trotsky Jul 2018 #13
You still seem confused about the concept. eom guillaumeb Jul 2018 #14
And you can still only engage in personal attacks. trotsky Jul 2018 #16
So your constant invocation of my "humiliation" guillaumeb Jul 2018 #18
It is not a personal attack to reference threads where your own quoted text contradicted your claim, trotsky Jul 2018 #20
You demonstrate and reveal much about yourself. guillaumeb Jul 2018 #22
Uh-huh. Act_of_Reparation Jul 2018 #70
As I have told you repeatedly... trotsky Jul 2018 #71
That's why free will is a terrible form of theodicy marylandblue Jul 2018 #15
Free will does not imply guillaumeb Jul 2018 #17
What does it imply then? marylandblue Jul 2018 #19
The freedom to choose to act. guillaumeb Jul 2018 #21
Then the second option in post 4 is correct nt marylandblue Jul 2018 #23
Current neurological research strongly suggests Voltaire2 Jul 2018 #43
Why does God make the edhopper Jul 2018 #24
What makes you feel that you have this insight into the mind of the Creator? eom guillaumeb Jul 2018 #26
What makes you feel that you edhopper Jul 2018 #29
Faith. guillaumeb Jul 2018 #31
So you know why God does things? edhopper Jul 2018 #32
I have faith, and base my opinion on that. guillaumeb Jul 2018 #33
reality edhopper Jul 2018 #34
Reality, guillaumeb Jul 2018 #36
objective edhopper Jul 2018 #38
But can any of us determine what that objective reality is? eom guillaumeb Jul 2018 #46
Yes, for the last 300 years or so we've managed Voltaire2 Jul 2018 #51
It does not require mind reading the Creator marylandblue Jul 2018 #35
It requires projecting an opinion as to the motivation of the Creator, guillaumeb Jul 2018 #37
I believe Donald Trump is malevalent marylandblue Jul 2018 #39
I share that belief. eom guillaumeb Jul 2018 #48
See, nothing to do with reading his mind marylandblue Jul 2018 #58
Only if one posits that the Creator and a human are equivalent. eom guillaumeb Jul 2018 #60
I only posit that the Creator is conscious marylandblue Jul 2018 #61
But the nature of that consciousness is what is in question. guillaumeb Jul 2018 #62
We don't even understand the nature of our own consciousness marylandblue Jul 2018 #63
I cannot speculate on the form of the Creator's consciousness. guillaumeb Jul 2018 #66
Assumptions without supporting facts are MineralMan Jul 2018 #67
Odd. Earlier you speculated on the content. Voltaire2 Jul 2018 #68
Assuming can be just another word for speculating marylandblue Jul 2018 #69
We don't need to understand the nature Mariana Jul 2018 #73
Or lack of behavior? guillaumeb Jul 2018 #80
Yet you speculate about it, except when you don't marylandblue Jul 2018 #82
I can only speculate. guillaumeb Jul 2018 #86
Then go ahead and speculate here, don't duck and say you can't marylandblue Jul 2018 #89
I do speculate, guillaumeb Jul 2018 #90
You seem to think everything is a matter of opinion except hard science marylandblue Jul 2018 #91
Anyone can speculate about motive and motivation, guillaumeb Jul 2018 #96
You're already speculating about your creator's existence. Act_of_Reparation Jul 2018 #106
It should be obvious to everyone by now that gil's rules only apply when he wants them to. trotsky Jul 2018 #107
But nobody, it seems, can discuss observable behavior nt marylandblue Jul 2018 #113
But you have stated edhopper Jul 2018 #41
In g world only g gets to make shit up about Voltaire2 Jul 2018 #44
Free will precedes any actions by sentient beings. guillaumeb Jul 2018 #49
The evidence doesn't support that claim. Voltaire2 Jul 2018 #56
Thus speaks the decider? guillaumeb Jul 2018 #59
Um no. But you are welcome to google Voltaire2 Jul 2018 #64
that isn't remotely true edhopper Jul 2018 #57
To be able to exercise free will. .. you have to be alive Bretton Garcia Jul 2018 #40
And if one were to be hit by lightning, guillaumeb Jul 2018 #47
Yes it does, for humans. By analytic philosophy. Bretton Garcia Jul 2018 #65
The free will of the perpetrators Mariana Jul 2018 #72
I guess that tells us a lot about where this creator's priorities lie. trotsky Jul 2018 #74
It's a ridiculous apologetic made even more ridiculous by its definition of "free will". Act_of_Reparation Jul 2018 #77
hogwash edhopper Jul 2018 #8
Like the Creator, I give my children vague, non-literal, and contradictory instructions marylandblue Jul 2018 #9
if you have any grandchildren edhopper Jul 2018 #10
I did give that direction, but I didn't mean it literally marylandblue Jul 2018 #11
Your unproven opinion Major Nikon Jul 2018 #25
How would you know what your gods believe? Voltaire2 Jul 2018 #42
Now you're telling us what your "Creator" believes? MineralMan Jul 2018 #45
Read what Ed hopper said, guillaumeb Jul 2018 #50
In which post #. I'm not going to search through this thread MineralMan Jul 2018 #78
This same entity that no human mind can begin to fathom Mariana Jul 2018 #75
Yes. Well, I suppose if you create your "Creator," you can give it MineralMan Jul 2018 #79
Saying their like a map or a code implies there's a proper interpretation Lordquinton Jul 2018 #28
"Meadows of divine Beauty", eh? Act_of_Reparation Jul 2018 #5
My take on these books (spiritual) is they won't make sense unless read with one's whole being. gtar100 Jul 2018 #27
My oldest daughter introduced me to Rumi. guillaumeb Jul 2018 #30
How could I miss a Rumi thread? Anon-C Jul 2018 #52
You found it. guillaumeb Jul 2018 #54
... Anon-C Jul 2018 #76
Sometimes the prison is the human mind, guillaumeb Jul 2018 #81
Whose mind is locked in that way? MineralMan Jul 2018 #83
Would you recognize your own blindness? guillaumeb Jul 2018 #87
Yes. And during my life, I have. MineralMan Jul 2018 #92
But what if you were blind to a negative aspect of your behavior? guillaumeb Jul 2018 #97
Indeed. Ask yourself that while looking at a mirror. MineralMan Jul 2018 #108
Follow your own advice. guillaumeb Jul 2018 #109
You do not know me. You just think you do. MineralMan Jul 2018 #110
Do you know yourself? eom guillaumeb Jul 2018 #111
Why, yes, I do. Quite well, in fact. MineralMan Jul 2018 #112
So atheists are really the ones with closed minds Major Nikon Jul 2018 #84
I did not say that, guillaumeb Jul 2018 #88
I didn't say you said that Major Nikon Jul 2018 #93
So you make a claim, guillaumeb Jul 2018 #98
Exactly the predicted response Major Nikon Jul 2018 #100
Yes, I pointed out your inconsistency, guillaumeb Jul 2018 #101
Please continue, soon there won't be a dry eye in the house Major Nikon Jul 2018 #102
You demonstrate your ability very well. guillaumeb Jul 2018 #103
Go on, I know you have more canned responses in you Major Nikon Jul 2018 #104
I doubt very much that you understand very much. MineralMan Jul 2018 #94
Is this self-analysis on your part, guillaumeb Jul 2018 #114
It is simply a statement. MineralMan Jul 2018 #115
I shall choose option 3, which is "both". eom guillaumeb Jul 2018 #116
OK. Choose whatever you wish. I don't care. MineralMan Jul 2018 #119
This is mere speculation and I thought we weren't doing that marylandblue Jul 2018 #85
OK, here goes. tomp Jul 2018 #53
Thank you for your response. guillaumeb Jul 2018 #55
Finding comforting order in nature seems halfway to science Bretton Garcia Jul 2018 #95
There is order and disorder in nature. guillaumeb Jul 2018 #99
Whirling dance for Rumi with love. lunasun Jul 2018 #105
Thank you. guillaumeb Jul 2018 #117
His poetry, music and dance all intertwined it isn't just words lunasun Jul 2018 #118
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