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MineralMan

(146,288 posts) Mon Aug 13, 2018, 03:36 PM Aug 2018

And here's another example of vicious hypocrisy: [View all]

https://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2018/08/jersey_city_pastor_charged_with_molesting_10-year-.html

Jersey City pastor charged with molesting 10-year-old girl and relative
A Jersey City church pastor has been charged with sexually assaulting a 10-year-old girl church member and fondling a relative -- and a source said the pastor has threatened at least one other victim with deportation if she told anyone.

Orlando Martinez-Chavez, 47, was charged on July 27 and he was arrested on July 30, according to a criminal complaint. The former spiritual leader of the Iglesia Pentecostal Lirio de los Valles church on Summit Avenue is being detained through his prosecution.

He faces charges of sexual assault, endangering the welfare of a child, and criminal sexual contact.

Martinez-Chavez's troubles started a month earlier, according to the source, who requested anonymity for fear of retribution. Martinez-Chavez was removed from his position on June 26 after he was accused of sending graphic pictures and videos to a 32-year-old woman who attended the church, the source said.

Yet another "man of God" abusing the trust of innocent children. Heinous!

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And here's another example of vicious hypocrisy: [View all] MineralMan Aug 2018 OP

Yes it is heinous there are bad people in every profession. But he is no man of god Fullduplexxx Aug 2018 #1

It is the CLAIM of being a "man of God" that is MineralMan Aug 2018 #2

So people who do bad things can't be religious? Voltaire2 Aug 2018 #3

Evidently they can be if they are faking it Major Nikon Aug 2018 #5

They don't have to be faking it. Mariana Aug 2018 #7

The question is whether or not they are a "true" (Christian or whatever) for doing so Major Nikon Aug 2018 #8

Yeah, there's this incredibly bigoted idea out there Mariana Aug 2018 #9

Whatabout?.... MineralMan Aug 2018 #4

Why is he not a man of God? marylandblue Aug 2018 #6

Pederasty was well tolerated, if not expected during the time of Jesus Major Nikon Aug 2018 #10

That may have been true in the Greek tradition marylandblue Aug 2018 #11

The Greeks heavily influenced the Romans and the Jews Major Nikon Aug 2018 #12

But there is no actual evidence? marylandblue Aug 2018 #13

The evidence is in what was forbidden Major Nikon Aug 2018 #15

Do you have a specific citation in the Talmud for this? marylandblue Aug 2018 #28

I can't cite something that isn't there Major Nikon Aug 2018 #32

Interpreting actual practice out of the Talmud is difficult marylandblue Aug 2018 #44

I didn't assume it happened Major Nikon Aug 2018 #45

Like I said no evidence Jews practiced it marylandblue Aug 2018 #47

The evidence is the same as you have for JTB being celibate Major Nikon Aug 2018 #62

The Sybelline Oracles actually attest the Hebrews did not practice pederasty. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2018 #51

The movement to end the practice came well after Christ Major Nikon Aug 2018 #64

Funny isn't it? There are a lot of things Christ didn't think to address. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2018 #72

It's important to remember like all religious hustlers, Christ was running a for profit business Major Nikon Aug 2018 #75

But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a m Fullduplexxx Aug 2018 #17

Jesus was talking about following him like a child edhopper Aug 2018 #18

Yes he is doing both ... are you suggesting that like a child doesnt include a child Fullduplexxx Aug 2018 #20

I am not saying Jesus would not condemn child abuse edhopper Aug 2018 #22

I dont see how it is misleading it is a reference to children Fullduplexxx Aug 2018 #23

If that's the correct interpretation Mariana Aug 2018 #31

OK, let's go that route and assume Jesus is talking about child rape Major Nikon Aug 2018 #69

Who decides what "offends" a child? marylandblue Aug 2018 #19

Idk maybe the child maybe God Fullduplexxx Aug 2018 #21

Adults decide what is best for a child, not the child marylandblue Aug 2018 #27

Offends becomes what's best ? Fullduplexxx Aug 2018 #37

Offends means almost anything, it is not a specific prohibition marylandblue Aug 2018 #39

I agree but the answer i gave was an answer to this Fullduplexxx Aug 2018 #40

My point is that child molestion is not prohibited by the Bible marylandblue Aug 2018 #42

Mary was probably 13 to 16 when she got together with Joseph. Bretton Garcia Aug 2018 #70

How do you know? trotsky Aug 2018 #16

No . Hopefully that clarifies it for you Fullduplexxx Aug 2018 #24

So when you declared this criminal was "no man of god," trotsky Aug 2018 #25

When i declared him no man of god i didnt declare him an atheist Fullduplexxx Aug 2018 #26

So basically anyone who commits a bad act is "no man of god" then, right? trotsky Aug 2018 #30

I didnt say that. no man of god is in reference to that one pedophile who Fullduplexxx Aug 2018 #33

Why can't a pedophile be "a man of god"? trotsky Aug 2018 #34

What do you take man of god to mean Fullduplexxx Aug 2018 #35

That's what I'm trying to get you to answer! trotsky Aug 2018 #36

Well maybe you can ask mineral man he is the one who called this pedophile a man of god Fullduplexxx Aug 2018 #38

And you said he isn't one. Mariana Aug 2018 #41

Do you think you can rape a child and still call yourself godly? Fullduplexxx Aug 2018 #43

I have no idea, that's why I asked you. Mariana Aug 2018 #46

It's always fun when they know full well why they said what they did, trotsky Aug 2018 #49

How do you discern ...i dont know .... by their actions i guess Fullduplexxx Aug 2018 #58

So again you are claiming that only those Voltaire2 Aug 2018 #60

A lot of people on the right claim a belief in god and they still do some awful things Fullduplexxx Aug 2018 #61

I'm glad we agree that "men of god" can do Voltaire2 Aug 2018 #63

I do know the damage and trauma it causes. Mariana Aug 2018 #65

Well, this argumentative nosedive sure has been entertaining. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2018 #52

If you knew the answer why badger me about it . The right is full of the people you just Fullduplexxx Aug 2018 #57

Probably because we have heard this before Major Nikon Aug 2018 #67

Because your irksome response gives creedence to negative stereotypes of atheists. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2018 #74

My apologies to you i certainly didnt mean to give you that impression Fullduplexxx Aug 2018 #81

If that's how you need to back out, fine. trotsky Aug 2018 #48

Im not in a postion from which to back out Fullduplexxx Aug 2018 #56

You still haven't explained why Mariana Aug 2018 #66

Yet that's what you're doing. trotsky Aug 2018 #77

You rang? You can ask me things directly. MineralMan Aug 2018 #50

No sir i didnt. i refered someone to you who had a question about Fullduplexxx Aug 2018 #55

That is not true. Mariana Aug 2018 #73

He didnt ask me to explain his post He asked me to explain what "man of god meant". Fullduplexxx Aug 2018 #79

If a person puts on a clerical collar and stands in front MineralMan Aug 2018 #82

God/the Holy Spirit had sex with Mary when she was probably 13 to 16. Bretton Garcia Aug 2018 #71

Isn't that exactly how certain Christians defended Roy Moore? trotsky Aug 2018 #76

The bible has been used to defend any human atrocity you can name Major Nikon Aug 2018 #80

These acts are indeed heinous.. Permanut Aug 2018 #14

Exactly. MineralMan Aug 2018 #29

8/13- one of the biggest mega churches in the Illinois area. first a worker then the founder !! lunasun Aug 2018 #53

Crap! There's a new one every day in Google News. MineralMan Aug 2018 #54

And here's another just posted Fullduplexxx Aug 2018 #59

It's reasonable to assume it's been going on far longer Major Nikon Aug 2018 #68

Yes. We'll be hearing a lot about that situation. MineralMan Aug 2018 #78