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14. Sorry, nope.
Wed May 30, 2012, 03:04 PM
May 2012

Somebody made a living generating and promulgating those ideas. They have university chairmanships, publish books, and speak at conferences.

If those kids want to make a difference they should be doing it as red, white, and blue United States citizens. That is the only acceptable religion to associate with one's civic duty.

There is a saying in psychology circles that goes, "you can't tell people how they feel". Any number of studies seem to indicate that the more strongly someone feels about something the more they dig in their heels to defend their beliefs then presented with contrary evidence. Faith and religion are emotional experiences and any organization that becomes the facilitator of that experience has considerable control over its followers. It's very difficult to separate oneself from that control - and that dynamic is the same for religious belief and simple brand loyalty. The most unscrupulous religions are those who most exploit the latter, and in a capitalist society any organization has to depend on the profit motive at least a little. The emotional bonds we create with shared ideas, including the profit motive, are at the root of all human civilization and has ensured the survival - and tragedy - of our species.

The latest and best effort to foster cooperation and support among groups of people has been a nationalist form of government, which replaced religion in that role. The transition has been a barbaric and bloody one. And it will never be complete if we allow civic activity defined by faith in anything other than ourselves.

Having said all that, I'm sure those kids will do just fine. There is a big difference between a specific situation and an overall cultural trend. I'm the first to admit that I don't know how to parse the role of religion in government - because I can't tell people how they feel. But I know people are only human and I don't think there's any reason to believe any religious organization or leader will judiciously exercise the considerable power that the faith of believers will give them. I haven't seen one succeed yet.

Check out the motivation! [View all] Thats my opinion May 2012 OP
Motivations designed and distributed by rrneck May 2012 #1
What is the constitutional prohibition against political activity? cbayer May 2012 #2
The First Amendment. rrneck May 2012 #3
I disagree that the First Amendment prohibits religious groups from engaging in political action cbayer May 2012 #4
How so? rrneck May 2012 #5
The establishment claause constrains the government, not churches. eomer May 2012 #27
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..." rrneck May 2012 #32
You forgot to include the free exercise clause. Thats my opinion May 2012 #35
How do you feel about rrneck May 2012 #38
I feel i should add... rrneck May 2012 #6
1+++ patrice May 2012 #8
Appreciate your responses here and I see your point about the difficulty cbayer May 2012 #9
Forgive the intrusion --> daaron May 2012 #12
Well said. Again, I think, but am not certain, that the projects of these students cbayer May 2012 #13
Could you explain how the Establishment clause bans organized polticking of religious institutions. Leontius May 2012 #15
By "organized politicking" I'm referring to endorsing or opposing political candidates --> daaron May 2012 #22
What I want you to explain is how you reach the conclusion that Leontius May 2012 #23
Campaigning from the pulpit is banned according to SCOTUS decisions. daaron May 2012 #24
The law that constrains churches is the Internal Revenue Code, not the establishment clause. eomer May 2012 #28
The tax code that constrains churches stands only because SCOTUS --> daaron May 2012 #30
The problem is when you start playing so fast and loose with the Constitution Leontius May 2012 #42
Here is some --> daaron May 2012 #31
The question decided in that Supreme Court ruling is whether the government is permitted... eomer May 2012 #33
6 of one, 1/2 dozen of the other. daaron May 2012 #39
No, I didn't say the government doesn't limit churches, I said the Constitution doesn't. eomer May 2012 #40
Sudo !! daaron May 2012 #41
Yes, that is what the First Amendment is all about. nt Thats my opinion May 2012 #18
Sorry, nope. rrneck May 2012 #14
Take a look at #16. Thats my opinion May 2012 #19
Hey, rrneck May 2012 #21
Help me understand. Thats my opinion May 2012 #16
No society can last for long rrneck May 2012 #20
Hee hee -- "...in air conditioning and iced Scotch..." daaron May 2012 #25
To the extent that political action or causes are more than 50% associated with a certain candidate, patrice May 2012 #7
None of these projects appear to be supporting particular candidates. cbayer May 2012 #10
"While most of these young adults have a religious motivation which impels them on their journeys" trotsky May 2012 #11
Other than using your response as just another way to take a swipe at anything religious, Thats my opinion May 2012 #17
Nope, your attempt to smear me is misguided. trotsky May 2012 #26
If Thats my opinion May 2012 #36
Actually, it's honest commentary. trotsky May 2012 #37
Religious groups often engage in things that benefit society. MineralMan May 2012 #29
Sounds like a wonderful program. cbayer May 2012 #34
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