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turtlerescue1

(1,013 posts)
48. In a battle of wits, I am unarmed.
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 11:00 AM
Jun 2012

The father in your post will have more pain- from his stance before the death of his son.

It isn't spirituality that is the problem, it is Religion.

Ya know, doesn't matter which side someone claims, but when it becomes self-righteous then someone is going to feel abused and uncomfortable. Whether it is by intent or not, the field is no longer level. Read your thread last night, gut response was "Boy I don't need this."

Am no match for you rug, and the ability to spew flames, yet there is a place within that has to nudge you.

I am a Christian, in fact a stuffy Lutheran. Likely it began doc, back when I was still in the womb and mom was teaching Sunday School. Then as it goes California decided it would teach "sight reading" over phonetics in its public schools, the six year old found her rear in a Lutheran School. Got a stay of sentence and released back into public school, only to hear the taunt "goodie two shoes'. In college, was blest with a Jesuit mentor, gave us tools and forced us not to merely defend what we consider Values, but define them. ( If only we would include this idea our kids might be better equipped for life.) Oh yeah, the first day of class with the Jesuit- learned he had flunked an entire English class the previous semester, of course I ran down to try and change my schedule, like that would work eh? When asked if it were true, he got this huge grin and said "If you don't learn the lesson how can you expect to pass the class?"

Some of us have done everything possible to be anything BUT a Christian, sooner or later what you believe or put your faith in catches up to where ever it is you think you are going. Its true, these are not fun times for beliefs as mine, but then read some of Marty Luther's writings when he was daring to take on the Vatican- Humor what a great resource. Yes, I read Luther's writings sure I would hate the man,nope- not even a little. He wasn't perfect, thought the world was flat, and a few other opposing views. Still even in these difficult days for folks like me, its not as overwhelming as what ole Marty tasted.

Before I close and attempt to get ready for the bruising that will come, there is something I am going to share:

"Woe to the legislators of infamous laws, to those who issue tyrannical decrees, who refuse justice to the unfortunate, and cheat the poor among my people of their rights, who make widows their prey and rob the orphan." - Isaiah 10, begins verse 1.

Ya know that just doesn't fit nicely into what the conservative christian(again small "C&quot right ideology teaches. Perhaps, there is something else besides their ways.

Its Saturday, and each Saturday I go and clean the church for Sunday. Grew up with the chapel smelling of lemon oil, yeah, I would do that.

May you day and your heart be filled with sunlight and joy.

Oh, but "Kevin" isn't a "RealChristian(tm)" n/t BiggJawn Jun 2012 #1
It's polite to wait until someone actually says that before trotting out that chestnut. rug Jun 2012 #3
What's the fun in that? cbayer Jun 2012 #23
So - do you think he's a real Christian? dmallind Jun 2012 #27
Who am I to say what he is or is not? cbayer Jun 2012 #30
You're not. He is. And he says he's a Christian motivated by Christianity dmallind Jun 2012 #34
He is whatever he says he is, just as you are. cbayer Jun 2012 #35
Absolutely true dmallind Jun 2012 #36
Atheism is rather simply defined, though the way an individual experiences cbayer Jun 2012 #37
The way I see it... rexcat Jun 2012 #38
Disturbing thing is, the religion of "Kevin" is doing exactly what its proponents here say it does. trotsky Jun 2012 #2
I really don't think that either you or I can extrapolate from his pain rug Jun 2012 #4
I'm not having an argument - are you? trotsky Jun 2012 #5
You are. I won't. Not on this story. rug Jun 2012 #6
If you say so, rug. trotsky Jun 2012 #8
No, it's not difficult. It's profound. rug Jun 2012 #10
It's an anonymous Internet forum, rug. trotsky Jun 2012 #13
And it's someone's son who is actually dying. rug Jun 2012 #14
Yet you keep replying to me anyway. trotsky Jun 2012 #15
The last word is all yours. rug Jun 2012 #17
My last word is above. It's in the form of a question. trotsky Jun 2012 #18
So now you won't even confront the most basic questions raised by your OWN OPs? darkstar3 Jun 2012 #45
I think you don't know the most basic question this story raises. rug Jun 2012 #46
The guy's a bigot. CrispyQ Jun 2012 #20
I totally agree. trotsky Jun 2012 #21
I would say that his coping mechanism... rexcat Jun 2012 #39
The real horror amuse bouche Jun 2012 #7
I'm an atheist, but find many good teachings in the Bible, as does the author... Scuba Jun 2012 #9
It's an interesting post coming from this author. rug Jun 2012 #11
I bet even FOX News has its liberal employees. nt ZombieHorde Jun 2012 #31
I agree completely. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #25
"One doesn't have to believe in a deity to learn from parables." That perfectly describes ... Scuba Jun 2012 #26
The christian holy book... rexcat Jun 2012 #40
While I can understand lukkadairish Jun 2012 #12
As an atheist I have no issues with anybodies faith. Shadowflash Jun 2012 #16
what he ^ said! madmom Jun 2012 #19
Ta da!! Scuba Jun 2012 #28
I'm with ya except for OriginalGeek Jun 2012 #43
agree cbayer Jun 2012 #44
This man's faith will offer him comfort rrneck Jun 2012 #22
Some comfort. Scuba Jun 2012 #29
Yes. rrneck Jun 2012 #32
Actually (and somewhat off topic) cbayer Jun 2012 #33
Why do you think they call it dope...? rrneck Jun 2012 #41
Very familiar with dopamine. cbayer Jun 2012 #42
Tragic. cbayer Jun 2012 #24
sad a smart liberal Jun 2012 #47
Welcome to DU! Couldn't agree more. shcrane71 Jun 2012 #49
In a battle of wits, I am unarmed. turtlerescue1 Jun 2012 #48
Nice post. rug Jun 2012 #50
WHOA! turtlerescue1 Jun 2012 #51
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