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AtheistCrusader

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40. Your source is bending the truth. (AKA Lying)
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 03:50 PM
Jun 2019

This is not 'the American Civil Liberties Union's joint statement'.

This is a joint statement by

American Jewish Congress, Chair
American Civil Liberties Union
American Jewish Committee
American Muslim Council
Anti-Defamation League
Baptist Joint Committee
Christian Legal Society
General Conference of Seventh day Adventists
National Association of Evangelicals
National Council of Churches People for the American Way
Union of American Hebrew Congregations


This is a committee-made statement. ALL of these organizations worked to author and pass this statement. It is not 'the ACLU's', does not belong to the ACLU, and as far as I can tell, this 1995 document does not exist on the ACLU's website/archive.

Endorsing Organizations
American Ethical Union American Humanist Association Americans for Religious liberty Americans United for Separation of Church and State B'nai B'rith, International Christian Science Church, Church of the Brethren, Washington Office Church of Scientology International Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, Lutheran Office of Governmental Affairs Federation of Reconstructionist Congregations and Havurot Friends Committee on National Legislation Guru Gobind Singh Foundation Interfaith Alliance Interfaith Impact for Justice and Peace National Council of Jewish Women National Jewish Community Relations Advisory Council (NJCRAC) National Ministries, American Baptist Churches, USA National Sikh Center North American Council for Muslim Women Presbyterian Church (USA) Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints Unitarian Universalist Association of Congregations United Church of Christ, Office for Church in Society


THIS section from your source is complete and utter lies.

"The sad fact is that it is possible to journey from first grade to a doctorate in U.S. school systems having never once taken a survey course on the Bible, much less having been introduced to basic knowledge of the world’s religions. When religion is treated at all, it is usually in bits and pieces — the biblical references in Melville’s “Moby Dick,” perhaps, or the religious issues fueling the Crusades....."


Basic knowledge of the world's religions IS taught in public schools, as you can tell when christians LOSE THEIR EVERLOVING SHIT and sue schools for 'INDOCTRINATING THEIR KIDS INTO ISLAM' by, you know, mentioning the existence of said religion and describing its tenets.

"11th grade World History class"
https://www.thomasmore.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Thomas-More-Law-Center-Files-Lawsuit-On-Behalf-of-Marine-Dad-Banned-from-Schoo-After-He-Objected-to-Islamic-Indoctrination-Complaint-Time-Stamped.pdf

And as one might expect, the case was thrown the fuck out by Judge George Jarrod Hazel, and appeal appears to have been denied.

So. Your source is not actually the ACLU as it was proffered, and your source spun the whole thing, and lied to your face. I eagerly await you doing the honest thing and withdrawing the false material.
Yeah well the fanatics will just abuse Voltaire2 Jun 2019 #1
Alternatlvely, guillaumeb Jun 2019 #2
That is not a narrow view. If anything the religious have the narrow view based on unproven myth. wasupaloopa Jun 2019 #31
The ACLU rightly favors objective instruction about world religions. Mariana Jun 2019 #4
That's my point. Voltaire2 Jun 2019 #23
I really doubt the ACLU favors any course of instruction, that is not it's purpose. wasupaloopa Jun 2019 #33
I think it's been demonstrated that for the most part Mariana Jun 2019 #3
I agree with your point, in the main, guillaumeb Jun 2019 #5
I have yet to see religion presented in schools MineralMan Jun 2019 #6
I disagree, and the ACLU does as well. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #7
I'm sure you do. MineralMan Jun 2019 #8
Should we eliminate the teaching of history as well? guillaumeb Jun 2019 #9
History is taught with varying degrees of quality. MineralMan Jun 2019 #10
I have never read a primary or secondary level history textbook that did not show bias. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #11
Done with this thread. MineralMan Jun 2019 #12
Probably an excellent idea. eom guillaumeb Jun 2019 #15
I have never heard of a biased history lesson violating the establishment clause. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2019 #16
Some people have tried to claim they do, though. Mariana Jun 2019 #21
You got him on that one True Dough Jun 2019 #26
Agreed. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #39
Many public education history courses Voltaire2 Jun 2019 #24
Agreed. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #38
unfortunately there is no establishment clause for history education Voltaire2 Jun 2019 #41
And build group identity. eom guillaumeb Jun 2019 #43
Bible as Literature zipplewrath Jun 2019 #29
Such a course was not offered in my high school. MineralMan Jun 2019 #32
They tried that zipplewrath Jun 2019 #35
Clever kids! MineralMan Jun 2019 #37
just an excuse to cram bibles down the throats of captive audience kids nt msongs Jun 2019 #13
The ACLU disagrees. eom guillaumeb Jun 2019 #14
Excellent, so the next time the ACLU says something, can we assume you will agree with them? trotsky Jun 2019 #17
... Major Nikon Jun 2019 #18
How did you arrive at that conclusion? guillaumeb Jun 2019 #19
You are berating everyone who disagrees with you by saying the ACLU supports your position. trotsky Jun 2019 #20
Well, he's arguing with me after I quoted directly MineralMan Jun 2019 #22
Everyone knows religionnews.com is the most reliable source of information anywhere! trotsky Jun 2019 #25
You got him on that one True Dough Jun 2019 #27
Fuck that! Why do we need to study a religion's dogma? We do not need religion which does more wasupaloopa Jun 2019 #28
In order to understand much of society zipplewrath Jun 2019 #30
No you do not. Religion is not central to society. The religious like to think so since they measure wasupaloopa Jun 2019 #34
Most traditions find their roots in religion zipplewrath Jun 2019 #36
Your source is bending the truth. (AKA Lying) AtheistCrusader Jun 2019 #40
I'm shocked! Voltaire2 Jun 2019 #42
What my source said: guillaumeb Jun 2019 #44
So, just going to ignore all your source's lies then? AtheistCrusader Jun 2019 #45
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