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1. While an interesting read I find your description of God unsatisfying.
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:44 PM
Feb 2013

I think we can more or less all agree (at least here) that the concept of a "God in heaven" is no longer tenable in light of the scientific discoveries made in the last few hundred years. So while the idea of a God "up there somewhere" is no longer tenable, the idea of a God that is at the heart of existence in the form of the "driving force" of everything really doesn't move God to a more tenable position. Science is working diligently on a ToE and sooner or later we will have to move God to yet another amorphous location to keep the notion of a deity current with the latest scientific discoveries. That I think is hardly any way to treat a concept so important to so many people.

Your conception of God is not functionally different from any other conception of a deity as a creator or first mover of the physical world and everything in it. Whether we surround God with clouds and putti or abstract concepts related to energy, God is still over there somewhere. It seems that what you have done is move him from the attic to the first floor study.

If you find that conception of God satisfying, and many people do, I wouldn't argue that you change it at my behest. I can also see potential pitfalls in such a definition of God. If God can be interpreted as a destination that is apart from ourselves, there will always be someone willing to offer conveyance to enlightenment - for a price. And with that price come all the evils that have little to do with enlightenment and everything to do with control of resources and power.

The God Problem 3 (and finally) [View all] Thats my opinion Feb 2013 OP
While an interesting read I find your description of God unsatisfying. rrneck Feb 2013 #1
I'm with you pretty much through your post. It is intelligent and important-- Thats my opinion Feb 2013 #2
Cab fare. rrneck Feb 2013 #4
perhaps the fundamental moral problem of the question of god. Phillip McCleod Feb 2013 #64
If I understand this part of the essay correctly, okasha Feb 2013 #5
"If God can be defined as the energy at the heart of the cosmos"... rrneck Feb 2013 #6
It also shrinks "god" down to an irrelevance. Warren Stupidity Feb 2013 #9
As far as I'm concerned rrneck Feb 2013 #17
If marketing is our problem, we have serious difficulties. Thats my opinion Feb 2013 #19
Oh, I think it would be easy to market. rrneck Feb 2013 #48
You may be largely right, Thats my opinion Feb 2013 #57
Same here. rrneck Feb 2013 #58
Do it. I'd love to have a look. Thats my opinion Feb 2013 #60
super interesting take on things. Phillip McCleod Feb 2013 #65
Of a sort... rrneck Feb 2013 #71
accuracy is important. Phillip McCleod Feb 2013 #73
A sense of wonder!! You bet Thats my opinion Feb 2013 #16
You're welcome. rrneck Feb 2013 #18
Whenever I have had the opportunitg to deal with and be challenged by atheists or agnostics Thats my opinion Feb 2013 #20
Which ignores the rather obvious fact skepticscott Feb 2013 #7
Swing and a miss, okasha. trotsky Feb 2013 #10
Nothing you've 'posted here okasha Feb 2013 #44
Wow, argument by declaration. trotsky Feb 2013 #53
Are you ever going to apologize for your baseless allegation that I was blocked from another group? cleanhippie Feb 2013 #55
Are you ever going to apologize for your baseless allegation that I was blocked from another group? cleanhippie Feb 2013 #13
Good-- but the Greek word translated "you" is 2nd person plural. Thats my opinion Feb 2013 #15
rrneck, I see what you mean. SarahM32 Feb 2013 #49
Fine by me. rrneck Feb 2013 #50
Matthew 6:9-13 trotsky Feb 2013 #3
Charles has also failed skepticscott Feb 2013 #8
He's wasted too much time telling everyone how a society lacking religious belief... trotsky Feb 2013 #11
Occam's Razor edhopper Feb 2013 #12
If the world were just made up of things it wouldn't work at all. Thats my opinion Feb 2013 #22
You really need to stay away from making scientific claims about matter & energy. trotsky Feb 2013 #23
Question: Matter is also made up of energy, correct?? Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #32
E=mc^2 trotsky Feb 2013 #33
You are still presupposing God exists. edhopper Feb 2013 #30
The quesrion, "How was God created?" just pretends God is another thing. Thats my opinion Feb 2013 #31
And you're pretending that the universe is just another thing. trotsky Feb 2013 #34
To those out there wondering skepticscott Feb 2013 #35
What "Mystery"? edhopper Feb 2013 #54
matter is energy. energy is matter. Phillip McCleod Feb 2013 #66
Why is there a need to honor a force?? Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #14
one word: midi-chlorians Phillip McCleod Feb 2013 #67
Have no idea what you just said ............... Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #69
really? star wars? Phillip McCleod Feb 2013 #72
I liked Star Wars .... I must have missed that Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #74
Please let me know where I go wrong in your thoughts: Goblinmonger Feb 2013 #21
I would like to respond Thats my opinion Feb 2013 #24
Perhaps I'm not being clear Goblinmonger Feb 2013 #25
You were perfectly clear skepticscott Feb 2013 #26
Perfectly clear to me too. trotsky Feb 2013 #27
It occurred to me to wonder skepticscott Feb 2013 #28
I believe the answer is best demonstrated... trotsky Feb 2013 #37
Apparently you didn't get the memo skepticscott Feb 2013 #29
G.....m Having dealt with you over the last couple of years, Thats my opinion Feb 2013 #36
And there's your prejudice against atheists on display again. trotsky Feb 2013 #38
Never said that and don't believe it. Thats my opinion Feb 2013 #40
I truly believe you honestly have no idea how insulting and offensive your words are. trotsky Feb 2013 #41
Here's what you don't get, Charles, in the midst of your juvenile sniping skepticscott Feb 2013 #47
So I only respond to people who agree with me?--as you have just charged Thats my opinion Feb 2013 #51
Truly amazing..you read my post and all you could do was lie skepticscott Feb 2013 #52
Are you really surprised, though? mr blur Feb 2013 #56
Try this Thats my opinion Feb 2013 #59
Nice try, Charles, but major fail skepticscott Feb 2013 #61
Being completely unable to admit error seems to run in the family. n/t trotsky Feb 2013 #62
You see, Charles...this is why you get so little respect around here skepticscott Feb 2013 #63
Very well said, Charles. Good work. SarahM32 Feb 2013 #39
Not ready to leave my organized religion... goldent Feb 2013 #42
I suppose what it might mean to communicate would give the answer. Thats my opinion Feb 2013 #43
Not a bad answer goldent Feb 2013 #45
And another way to think of it is ... SarahM32 Feb 2013 #46
what if we could all fly? Phillip McCleod Feb 2013 #68
Bottom line, Charles skepticscott Feb 2013 #70
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