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Dear Pope, Atheists Don't Need Redemption [View all]
Atheists like me are used to religious leaders like the last pope telling us that we are going to Hell to be tortured for all eternity because we are skeptical of their pretty hard to believe claims. This new pope surprised everyone the other day by proclaiming that atheists are not condemned to eternal torture if we live a virtuous life. Thanks for that, Pope Francis, but I wasn't worried. I'm reasonably sure that Hell is imaginary.
The thing is that Pope Francis went farther than just acknowledging that atheists aren't going to be tortured for all eternity. He also said that if we live virtuous lives, we will be "redeemed" by Jesus just like Christians. I think that last part goes a little too far for me. I know the pope meant well and probably didn't realize just how condescending that actually sounds to many atheists. In an effort to help the pope better communicate with the growing atheist community and in the spirit of furthering dialog, I'm going to explain why I take issue with his statement.
I'm not interested in being "redeemed" by Jesus. Contrary to the Catholic and even the broader Christian belief, I don't believe humans are evil sinners in need of redemption. I don't see the glass as half empty. The way I see it, the glass is full. Half the glass is filled with water and the other half filled with air. In other words, I don't think people are inherently evil; I think people are more nuanced than that. We do good things and we do bad things.
As a humanist, I have come to understand that people generally try to be the best they can. We are all trying to be the heroes in our own story, sometimes getting sidetracked along the way.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/staks-rosch/dear-pope-atheists-dont-need-redemption_b_3332013.html?utm_hp_ref=religion
The thing is that Pope Francis went farther than just acknowledging that atheists aren't going to be tortured for all eternity. He also said that if we live virtuous lives, we will be "redeemed" by Jesus just like Christians. I think that last part goes a little too far for me. I know the pope meant well and probably didn't realize just how condescending that actually sounds to many atheists. In an effort to help the pope better communicate with the growing atheist community and in the spirit of furthering dialog, I'm going to explain why I take issue with his statement.
I'm not interested in being "redeemed" by Jesus. Contrary to the Catholic and even the broader Christian belief, I don't believe humans are evil sinners in need of redemption. I don't see the glass as half empty. The way I see it, the glass is full. Half the glass is filled with water and the other half filled with air. In other words, I don't think people are inherently evil; I think people are more nuanced than that. We do good things and we do bad things.
As a humanist, I have come to understand that people generally try to be the best they can. We are all trying to be the heroes in our own story, sometimes getting sidetracked along the way.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/staks-rosch/dear-pope-atheists-dont-need-redemption_b_3332013.html?utm_hp_ref=religion
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Well he's the head Mitre-chapeau in charge, so they're just gonna have to dig on it!
MADem
May 2013
#4
No I don't, but it is interesting that I was born almost at the moment he died.
hrmjustin
May 2013
#25
I think they got rid of limbo! As to reincarnation it could have been the cathars!
hrmjustin
May 2013
#29
The Church must speak to every generation. Unfortunately many churvhes have issues doing
hrmjustin
May 2013
#45
In my mind there's a big difference between Laws of the church and God's laws
No Vested Interest
May 2013
#61
Well actually, we won't. And that's how religions are able to keep their con going.
BlueStreak
May 2013
#35
if that is true then undoubtedly we northern europeans still go to ragnarok or the like.
Phillip McCleod
May 2013
#50
Whether Rosch does or does not is immaterial, as long as he understands what the Pope is saying.
rug
May 2013
#3
Are you saying the classic monks bent over scribing away were the first nerds?
Spitfire of ATJ
May 2013
#14
Click-bait fake controvery. Author deliberately took the Pope out of context to draw views.
TekGryphon
May 2013
#16
I don't want to go to heaven, even if it existed. I didn't hang with the "saints" in life, I'll
alfredo
May 2013
#17
We know what he thinks of atheists. What does he think of the child rapists and their enablers
stopbush
May 2013
#22
I doubt Pope Francis spends much time reading HuffPo, so if Rosch wants to tell him something
struggle4progress
May 2013
#37
I doubt atheists spend much time listening to the Pope's sermons, so...
Act_of_Reparation
May 2013
#47
I doubt the Pope was expecting atheists to listen to his talk: he seems to have addressed
struggle4progress
May 2013
#48
... The leader of the world's 1.2 billion Roman Catholics made his comments in the homily
struggle4progress
May 2013
#62