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MellowDem

(5,018 posts)
44. So you don't stop saying a word just because a group finds it offensive...
Thu May 30, 2013, 03:36 PM
May 2013

that's the whole point I'm getting at. Only for a certain class of words, ones you find "derogatory", do you stop saying the word.

More specifically, words that criticize a person for irreversible or inherent traits especially, from your examples, do you consider unjustifiably offensive. This makes sense. There is no logic behind attacking someone's character for their skin color, or ethnicity, or mental disability, or sexual orientation etc. etc., since it has nothing to do with character. I'm just trying to show you that this is really your reasoning, not the fact that some group considers the word offensive.

From your accounts, it sounds like you were ignorant of the derogatory nature of the word until you were informed by someone else, and once you knew of the derogatory nature, you stopped using it, not because a group found it offensive, but because you found out the meaning behind the word.

Lots of groups consider words offensive, but some of them are justifiably used against those groups.

Religion, oftentimes, is still conflated with being an inherent trait in many cultures, the same thing as skin color or ethnicity. It's not. So words that attack or belittle religious beliefs may be offensive to those that hold them, but they also may be justified, and the offense to the criticism is not logical. Belief systems are always fair game to criticism, and those that hold such beliefs will be subject to criticism as well.

For example, the Koran is a bigoted, misogynistic, homophobic religious text, and Islam is based on it. Islam itself is homophobic and misogynistic as a belief system. That makes all people who subscribe to Islam, Muslims, homophobic and misogynistic. If a Muslim says they are not homophobic or misogynistic, that simply means they are engaging in cognitive dissonance. It's like a member of the KKK telling you they aren't racist. It may be true, of course, but it's still cognitive dissonance and it's intellectually dishonest, they're essentially saying they don't believe what they say they believe. Now, because religion has so much privilege still, a post like that got deleted by a jury on DU, simply because people found it offensive.

That sort of logic is terrible, and should not be a reason to censor words or criticism.


How do you define yourself? cbayer May 2013 #1
Agnostic Atheist... Humanist_Activist May 2013 #4
Great! You have now answered your own question and don't need a poll cbayer May 2013 #5
I'm more interested in how you would define me, since you have some odd beliefs... Humanist_Activist May 2013 #7
I have absolutely no interest in defining you and cbayer May 2013 #9
Of course not, that's what adjectives are for... Humanist_Activist May 2013 #10
Words are not meaningless to me, of course. cbayer May 2013 #16
Wow, that didn't take long. goldent May 2013 #24
+ struggle4progress May 2013 #22
human. robinlynne May 2013 #2
Thanks for identifying my species, now that we got that out of the way... Humanist_Activist May 2013 #11
absolutely no snarkiness intended. it was simply empathy. robinlynne May 2013 #38
Need a little help here. Are you smaller than a breadbox? n/t dimbear May 2013 #3
Unitarian egold2604 May 2013 #6
Uhm, Unitarians believe in one, singular god, with an indivisible godhead... Humanist_Activist May 2013 #8
The poster may have been posting about UUs. safeinOhio May 2013 #12
True, but that's a specific organization, I was thinking more traditionalist Unitarians... Humanist_Activist May 2013 #15
You. Bad Thoughts May 2013 #13
An anti Godist. asjr May 2013 #14
While I am opposed to the idea of gods, that wasn't evident i my initial post. n/t Humanist_Activist May 2013 #18
No, but it's evident in your attitude. That might make you anti-theist, I suppose. cbayer May 2013 #19
Having a bad attitude doesn't make one an anti-theist... Humanist_Activist May 2013 #31
Dymo. rug May 2013 #17
Sounds like you're insecure if you need to ask others what you are. Starboard Tack May 2013 #20
What's with the attitude? Having a bad day? LeftofObama May 2013 #21
Many people on here mislabel atheism and agnosticism... MellowDem May 2013 #28
I guess it makes you an atheist with some agnostic leanings. hrmjustin May 2013 #23
That sounds right. Iggo May 2013 #25
No, it makes him an agnostic atheist... MellowDem May 2013 #26
I am just a plain Christian so I will take your word for it. hrmjustin May 2013 #27
Don't take my word for it... MellowDem May 2013 #30
Thank you very much, it was a helpful video. hrmjustin May 2013 #32
No problem! nt MellowDem May 2013 #33
He is what he decides to identify himself as. westerebus May 2013 #34
Exactly. That is why I defer to others when they tell me a term is offensive. cbayer May 2013 #35
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder... westerebus May 2013 #37
Whether something is offensive is completely subjective... MellowDem May 2013 #40
I think I was not clear. cbayer May 2013 #41
Whether they are "targets" or not makes no difference... MellowDem May 2013 #42
I guess I am still not being clear. cbayer May 2013 #43
So you don't stop saying a word just because a group finds it offensive... MellowDem May 2013 #44
It's language that is not clear. Jim__ May 2013 #45
I think you are right about this. cbayer May 2013 #46
Of course not. MellowDem May 2013 #39
Then you will need to speak to the poster of the OP. westerebus May 2013 #47
You! You are a bunghole mindwalker_i May 2013 #29
An Atheist LostOne4Ever May 2013 #36
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