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Brainstormy

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26. It IS definitely bullshit

Wed Jun 12, 2013, 11:58 AM

Jun 2013

On so many levels. For one thing, the "stress" of a rowing competition is completely unlike the stress of say, facing death for a condition for which science currently offers no cure or other hopeless situations in which many even non believers might turn to God and religion. And praying to a supernatural being is completely unlike thinking about science. The study did nothing but gauge how different groups feel about science, or religion. It's yet another attempt to illustrate that atheism or agnosticism is a form of faith. Which is bullshit.

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Atheists use science like believers use faith in times of stress, says study [View all] Phillip McCleod Jun 2013 OP

well, at least science is real. ret5hd Jun 2013 #1

And they're STILL not the same thing. Iggo Jun 2013 #2

+1 cleanhippie Jun 2013 #4

+1 Dawson Leery Jun 2013 #6

not even close to similar. Phillip McCleod Jun 2013 #19

more of the usual bs trying to equate "science" with "religious faith in science." mike_c Jun 2013 #3

see i rather took the opposite from it.. Phillip McCleod Jun 2013 #15

Poorly worded questions skepticscott Jun 2013 #5

How significant is it? Well, the test with the rowers had p = 0.006. Jim__ Jun 2013 #7

If all else was done properly skepticscott Jun 2013 #9

They weren't testing for scientific knowledge. Jim__ Jun 2013 #10

I wasn't talking about scientific knowledge, as in facts skepticscott Jun 2013 #11

Just before the battle, mother, I am writing home to you. If I survive I will dimbear Jun 2013 #8

It would be interesting to have a variety of stressful situations goldent Jun 2013 #12

yes unfortunately those wouldn't be controlled experiments. Phillip McCleod Jun 2013 #13

yeah I don't think my examples would get approved goldent Jun 2013 #14

no doubt these experiments (there were two).. Phillip McCleod Jun 2013 #16

I'm not sure if they would want to falsify the results goldent Jun 2013 #17

they would *attempt* to falsify the results.. Phillip McCleod Jun 2013 #18

Why this study is bullshit. edhopper Jun 2013 #20

i disagree. it's a normal experimental model. Phillip McCleod Jun 2013 #21

But their conclusion edhopper Jun 2013 #22

Smells like Templeton. n/t trotsky Jun 2013 #23

I think it's a valid point of inquiry. edhopper Jun 2013 #24

Why do you think the rowers in the high-stress group expressed a significantly stronger belief ... Jim__ Jun 2013 #25

In order to even attempt to answer that question skepticscott Jun 2013 #28

The study is explicit as to the criteria they base the claim on. Jim__ Jun 2013 #29

Uh, no it isn't skepticscott Jun 2013 #37

I am not saying the study doesn't say that edhopper Jun 2013 #30

I asked why you think that is? And why were the testers able to predict that? Jim__ Jun 2013 #33

I don't know edhopper Jun 2013 #34

"... belief in the value of science ... can offer reassurance to secular individuals ..." Jim__ Jun 2013 #35

Social scienes are different edhopper Jun 2013 #36

It IS definitely bullshit Brainstormy Jun 2013 #26

it's not any such attempt to show that atheism is a form of faith. Phillip McCleod Jun 2013 #32

You mean... gcomeau Jun 2013 #27

It's like the way I compulsively do Sudoku puzzles when stressed. cbayer Jun 2013 #31