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kiri

(794 posts)
7. cold fusion is a delusion
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 12:00 AM
Jun 2013

There are only 4 fundamental forces in nature: gravity, the elecromagnetic force, the strong nuclear force, the weak nuclear force. Only the electromagnetic force is significantly controlled by humankind--its action and strength is of our dimensions. It underlies all chemistry, all biology, all light, all radio/internet communications, and all life. It is wildly improbable that another force, e.g. spiritual, god, 'mental', is yet undiscovered by the thousands of laboratories, scientists who work every day, none finding a reproducible effect previously unknown.

Gravity is only important when there are big chunks of mass, otherwise of no consequence for human life. The strong and weak nuclear forces are good for keeping atomic nuclei together, and we humans need atoms. They do neat things in stars, like our sun, too.

'Cold fusion' does not exist. "Never attribute to malice what may be due to simple incompetence". Or, in the case of cold fusion, simple greed and self delusion.

Lest anyone claim that the weak nuclear force is the secret 'sauce', let them show how it works with electron neutrinos, tau neutrinos, and muon neutrinos!

Anyone can get 100 Billion neutrinos in the palm of your hand--just hold it out--this many or more pass through planet Earth every second. None have produced cold fusion, nor even hot fusion on Earth.

Fusion? I'm not too sure about it. longship Jun 2013 #1
"cold fusion kooks claim" ...Nice to see you've no preconceptions Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #2
Right! longship Jun 2013 #3
It's very simple. Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #4
But one cannot claim a science break through without peer review. longship Jun 2013 #5
If it's real, then it's about the profit. Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #6
Well, if it's real. longship Jun 2013 #8
Again if it's real publishing is the least of the issues. So is getting a Nobel Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #11
My point is that it isn't science longship Jun 2013 #13
Doesnt nessacariy have to be fraud, although I know your Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #15
I am not committed to "fraud" charge. longship Jun 2013 #18
Understandable sentiment Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #19
The GOAL is to produce electricity from a reaction and the ONLY byproduct is nutrinos. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #9
cold fusion is a delusion kiri Jun 2013 #7
Never say never. secondvariety Jun 2013 #16
Why isn't America leading this important research? tclambert Jun 2013 #10
The US had a research-program for a pulsed fusion-reactor. DetlefK Jul 2013 #20
The US has it's own research groups. Angleae Jul 2013 #22
We could build three of them for what we spent in 1 year on the Iraq War phantom power Jun 2013 #12
We could build ten secondvariety Jun 2013 #14
Seem to be missing Something Here packman Jun 2013 #17
All national supply-grids are tuned towards centralized procuction of electricity. DetlefK Jul 2013 #21
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