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hunter

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2. The trouble is that people see wind turbines as a symbol of progress...

Reply to NNadir (Original post)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 02:42 PM

Sep 2017

... much as smokestacks were frequently seen as a symbol of progress in the nineteenth and twentieth centuries.

http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/90716345/

Most people don't see wind turbines as industrial litter.

Smokestack industries were romanticized in a similar way.

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A Minor Problem For Sound Science of the Effect of Offshore Windfarms on Seabirds: There Isn't Any. [View all] NNadir Sep 2017 OP

Some new stuff. Eko Sep 2017 #1

The trouble is that people see wind turbines as a symbol of progress... hunter Sep 2017 #2

I hadn't thought of it that way but you're right. NNadir Sep 2017 #3

Wow Eko Sep 2017 #4

I live in California. The hills are littered with dead Enron-era wind turbines... hunter Sep 2017 #6

What do you mean by dead turbines? Eko Oct 2017 #11

Here, too, is another picture from Nature, of the realities of the wind industry. NNadir Sep 2017 #5

Yes, this is much better. Eko Sep 2017 #7

Here you go, way awesome. Eko Sep 2017 #8

The toxic wastes of a careless high energy industrial society suck. hunter Oct 2017 #10

Yup, Eko Oct 2017 #12

How about arsenic? Arsenic has a half life of forever. hunter Oct 2017 #13

Nope. Eko Oct 2017 #14

Seriously? You think the arsenic goes away? hunter Oct 2017 #16

Well, Im sure Eko Oct 2017 #19

The same sorts of processes that decrease the bioavailability of toxins like arsenic and lead... hunter Oct 2017 #20

This was your statement. Eko Oct 2017 #23

I would ask you to take a second Eko Oct 2017 #15

I'm some kind of quixotic Luddite and evolutionary biologist. hunter Oct 2017 #17

Yes you have said that many times. Eko Oct 2017 #18

Except they don't reduce the use of gas. hunter Oct 2017 #21

Gas is profitable without wind. Eko Oct 2017 #22

You'd be okay with more gas. I get it. hunter Oct 2017 #24

Wow. Eko Oct 2017 #25

So what? Eko Oct 2017 #26

Your enthusiasm for solar and wind augmented gas power plants is clear. hunter Oct 2017 #27

Yes, because somewhere I am sure Eko Oct 2017 #28

I'd happily see Ivanpah removed, and the landscape restored to the best of human ability. hunter Oct 2017 #29

Natural gas is successful without solar and wind. Eko Oct 2017 #30

We are not "buying time." hunter Oct 2017 #31

Of course we are. Eko Oct 2017 #32

Going back to the original argument... hunter Oct 2017 #33

Of course you are because it's not about global warming Eko Oct 2017 #34

Welcome to the twenty first century. It's a messy place... hunter Oct 2017 #35

Not afraid. Eko Oct 2017 #36

It would be silly to be afraid. hunter Oct 2017 #37

And I am not a silly person. Eko Oct 2017 #38

Im not even going to post the pictures from this. Eko Sep 2017 #9