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Eko

(7,234 posts)
32. Of course we are.
Sun Oct 8, 2017, 04:44 PM
Oct 2017

Before I tell you how, I want to ask why you put the part of dismissing nuclear power in there? I never have and I don't dismiss it. It seems you cant separate me saying that nuclear is not any cleaner than wind and solar with this belief that if I point this out I must hate Nuclear. NNadir does the same thing and it is juvenile at best and seriously dishonest at worst.
Worst case estimates for stabilizing atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations at 500 parts per million put us at 2035, best case at 2050. Lets see, its 2017 so that makes 18 years at worst and 33 years at best. There is your buying time using actual time. We need no "magic power source". Scientists everywhere agree that this is doable, even with the technology we have now. Here are some ways.

Improved fuel economy.
Reduced reliance on cars.
More efficient buildings.
Improved power plant efficiency.
Reduced deforestation, plus reforestation, afforestation, and new plantations.
It even has increasing more Nuclear, wind and solar power all of which I am for.
https://skepticalscience.com/global-warming-too-hard-advanced.htm

I honestly don't care if I did or didn't hurt your feelings. I got past that when you kept straw manning me repeatedly and I pointed it out. At no time did you act contrite or apologize for it, you just kept doing it and still are.

Some new stuff. Eko Sep 2017 #1
The trouble is that people see wind turbines as a symbol of progress... hunter Sep 2017 #2
I hadn't thought of it that way but you're right. NNadir Sep 2017 #3
Wow Eko Sep 2017 #4
I live in California. The hills are littered with dead Enron-era wind turbines... hunter Sep 2017 #6
What do you mean by dead turbines? Eko Oct 2017 #11
Here, too, is another picture from Nature, of the realities of the wind industry. NNadir Sep 2017 #5
Yes, this is much better. Eko Sep 2017 #7
Here you go, way awesome. Eko Sep 2017 #8
The toxic wastes of a careless high energy industrial society suck. hunter Oct 2017 #10
Yup, Eko Oct 2017 #12
How about arsenic? Arsenic has a half life of forever. hunter Oct 2017 #13
Nope. Eko Oct 2017 #14
Seriously? You think the arsenic goes away? hunter Oct 2017 #16
Well, Im sure Eko Oct 2017 #19
The same sorts of processes that decrease the bioavailability of toxins like arsenic and lead... hunter Oct 2017 #20
This was your statement. Eko Oct 2017 #23
I would ask you to take a second Eko Oct 2017 #15
I'm some kind of quixotic Luddite and evolutionary biologist. hunter Oct 2017 #17
Yes you have said that many times. Eko Oct 2017 #18
Except they don't reduce the use of gas. hunter Oct 2017 #21
Gas is profitable without wind. Eko Oct 2017 #22
You'd be okay with more gas. I get it. hunter Oct 2017 #24
Wow. Eko Oct 2017 #25
So what? Eko Oct 2017 #26
Your enthusiasm for solar and wind augmented gas power plants is clear. hunter Oct 2017 #27
Yes, because somewhere I am sure Eko Oct 2017 #28
I'd happily see Ivanpah removed, and the landscape restored to the best of human ability. hunter Oct 2017 #29
Natural gas is successful without solar and wind. Eko Oct 2017 #30
We are not "buying time." hunter Oct 2017 #31
Of course we are. Eko Oct 2017 #32
Going back to the original argument... hunter Oct 2017 #33
Of course you are because it's not about global warming Eko Oct 2017 #34
Welcome to the twenty first century. It's a messy place... hunter Oct 2017 #35
Not afraid. Eko Oct 2017 #36
It would be silly to be afraid. hunter Oct 2017 #37
And I am not a silly person. Eko Oct 2017 #38
Im not even going to post the pictures from this. Eko Sep 2017 #9
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