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Response to hunter (Reply #33)

Mon Oct 9, 2017, 08:29 PM

34. Of course you are because it's not about global warming

Its about your belief that we should all live like you want.

... you see those monster bird and bat killing wind turbines as "progress." I see them as high energy industrial consumer economy litter. Why are they there? So some consumer can feel good about their energy "choices."

Seeing as how scientists think they will play a large part in stopping global warming maybe that is why they are there.

I don't see them as choices, I don't see them as progress. They are progress the same way 19th and 20th century people saw smokestacks as progress.
Just another example of your "beliefs" not actually matching up with reality.

If your wind and solar utopia doesn't work, and if it's rejected by the high energy industrial "consumer" market, adding gas to the power mix is not the answer.
Straw man again, you,,,,just,,,,cant,,,stop,,,it. Pathetic.

My observation has been that anti-nuclear activists frequently become shills for the "natural" gas industry. I have very deep connections within the California anti-nuclear community 'seventies and early 'eighties. People I saw naked deep. People who could summon Helen Caldicott with an airline ticket, motel room and generous expenses.

Straw man yet again,,,, seriously pathetic.
The largest industrial projects on the planet today concern the extraction and distribution of natural gas. There are enough natural gas reserves to destroy what's left of the natural environment we humans inherited, and to destroy our own high energy industrial world economy.
Yup.

Personally, I've lived on many levels of this world economy, from dumpster-diving semi-homeless person living in a garden shed to affluent person who can buy a new car on credit. (My wife and I are sort of in the middle now, thanks to astonishing medical debts for random shit that fell out of the sky and student loan debts for our kids we can't always pay. Life in the U.S.A., our favorite second world perpetually developing nation, top dog banana republic of the banana republics, with nukes.)
TMI and I dont care at all.

If you want to do some speculative math, calculate how much natural gas Ivanpah will use before it is abandoned.

Why? do you see me defending natural gas? Nope, you just want to lump me into anti-nuke and pro-natural gas just because I said nuclear's shit stinks as well as solar and winds.

Here is me: Yes, global warming is seriously bad and we should use nuclear, wind, solar and whatever we can to get off of fossil fuels, btw, solar and wind do create toxic wastes but so does nuclear.

Here is you: Global warming is bad, nuclear and living as a Luddite is the answer and if you think differently then you are anti nuke and pro natural gas. btw, wind creates more gas plants even though getting rid of them wont slow down the production of gas plants. Here is a straw man, and another, and another, and another, and another, and another, and another, and another. But I'm a Luddite so I have some special experience that makes me better even though I use electricity but my use is ok. Oh yeah, people should have less kids, but disregard that I had some.

That's hilarious, you have at least 2 kids and that is the largest factor to global warming. And yet here you are with the gall to not only come on here and lecture me who decided years ago to not have kids because of global warming but you straw man me so often that you must have a straw man button on your keyboard that does it for you automatically as much as you do it. I take back calling you a fucking twat, you are a fucking hypocrite, and then a twat.


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