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Brainstormy

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Sat Nov 11, 2017, 10:26 PM Nov 2017

Discussion of "spirituality" [View all]

my meet-up group (Atheists, Skeptics, Humanists) had a Deep Dive: Serious Thinking on Serious Subjects discussion on spirituality this Tuesday. As moderator, I did a lot of prep, but there were so many surprises. The first was that there was not ONE person in this group of 16 who, ultimately, believed in any type of soul, or after-life or "other life" or genuine connection to a over-arching intelligence, or ANY of the common understandings of "spirit." A few conceded that spirituality, in the Sam Harris sense, could be defined as extraordinary mental states induced by meditation, chanting, mind-altering drugs, self-hypnosis, what have you. But nobody claimed this to be a supernatural experience. A few said that they had identified as "spiritual but not religious" but only as a COVER, in social situations or on Match.com. So funny! And we got into some New Age woo stuff a bit. But basically there was almost unanimous agreement that "spirituality" is a bullshit, vacuous concept.

I expected a lot more push back, and a lot more equivocation. What say ye, had you been there? And I wish you had!

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Discussion of "spirituality" [View all] Brainstormy Nov 2017 OP
Question: If you believe in the existence of ghosts BigmanPigman Nov 2017 #1
well, that didn't come up, but . . . Brainstormy Nov 2017 #2
I don't see why one can't easily be an atheist and still believe in ghosts. Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2017 #21
you're correct, but . . . Brainstormy Nov 2017 #23
Well, you have now. Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2017 #25
What do you think ghosts are? Who or what are they? nt Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #26
I don't know a thing about ghosts. Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2017 #28
Yes, I agree, they are remnants of energy. That is one way to put it. nt Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #29
But do you? Brainstormy Nov 2017 #3
Define "Experienced it firsthand." nt Susan Calvin Nov 2017 #7
Reason I ask. Susan Calvin Nov 2017 #8
So does this mean your group bundles all religions and spiritual philosophies together? Doreen Nov 2017 #4
Don't like worship. Love philosophy. nt Susan Calvin Nov 2017 #12
That is why I like Buddhism. Doreen Nov 2017 #14
Only in the sense Brainstormy Nov 2017 #17
I agree with them. I believe all religious belief was invented by man. wasupaloopa Nov 2017 #5
I like Buddhism, Susan Calvin Nov 2017 #10
Yes that is the bottom line. How do you live your life. What kind of person are you. Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #27
I'll pray for you. Binkie The Clown Nov 2017 #6
knock yourself out :). n/t Brainstormy Nov 2017 #18
If Jesus was a Jew LakeArenal Nov 2017 #9
If only all people viewed it as literature and history. Susan Calvin Nov 2017 #11
our group seems pretty divided Brainstormy Nov 2017 #19
I like the unexplained phenomenon definition. It suits me. BigmanPigman Nov 2017 #13
I do believe in those things. Doreen Nov 2017 #15
we didn't but Brainstormy Nov 2017 #16
I saw something similar on PBS. BigmanPigman Nov 2017 #20
I think our brains have perceptions and recall defacto7 Nov 2017 #22
well said, Brainstormy Nov 2017 #24
I hate that "spiritual" is such a loaded word. trotsky Nov 2017 #30
Exactly Brainstormy Nov 2017 #32
and there are still so many things we don't understand RussBLib Nov 2017 #31
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