2016 Postmortem

joshcryer

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12. She took a dumb talking point and added her own twist.

Wed Jan 13, 2016, 03:43 PM

Jan 2016

The talking point was that Single Payer gets rid of all the health programs. Chelsea added dismantle to the talking point and it blew up from there. Clinton is now back peddling and trying to push a more convoluted talking point.

Their problem was that it was a dumb talking point to begin with. All they got to do is quote Sanders admitting that they didn't have the votes for single payer much less the public option. But they took this convoluted argument path that makes no sense.

The thing is I don't think this is worth getting all up in arms about and can backfire.

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Is there a primer on the Chelsea healthcare incident? [View all] Renew Deal Jan 2016 OP

Yes, you'll have no problem finding it cali Jan 2016 #1

Except that I have tried Renew Deal Jan 2016 #3

That kind of response is what you'll get when you try to enter the echo chamber Cali_Democrat Jan 2016 #17

Look on MSNBC Archives from their 6 pm program last night with Mark Halprin Armstead Jan 2016 #20

I found it Renew Deal Jan 2016 #22

The Clintons are apparently counting on that Armstead Jan 2016 #41

I'll summarize. Wilms Jan 2016 #2

Is there a video of her daughter doing this? Renew Deal Jan 2016 #4

The site search box is right up on the top of the page. jeff47 Jan 2016 #8

She actually claimed Sanders wants to "dismantle Medicare" arcane1 Jan 2016 #47

Excellent summary. You covered all the relevant points. guillaumeb Jan 2016 #43

Boiled down, I agree Babel_17 Jan 2016 #72

It boils down to... Agschmid Jan 2016 #5

That's funny Renew Deal Jan 2016 #7

That is not an honest representation of what she said. cali Jan 2016 #11

Okay fix what I said. Agschmid Jan 2016 #15

The clip is posted in this thread cali Jan 2016 #33

Okay... So fix what I said? Agschmid Jan 2016 #35

It is difficult to fix the truth by lying. guillaumeb Jan 2016 #44

So are you joining in? If someone wants to tell me how I lied that would be great... Agschmid Jan 2016 #63

My apologies. I am defending you. Obviously I was unclear. guillaumeb Jan 2016 #64

Thank you, it's so hard to tell this time of year. Agschmid Jan 2016 #65

What is amazing is that a video clip comes out, where the speaker is clearly guillaumeb Jan 2016 #66

How is that not honest? Renew Deal Jan 2016 #16

Lying by omission ... GeorgeGist Jan 2016 #71

Good sumnmary, though it's that last part that is the important devil in the details. Armstead Jan 2016 #23

It is an important point that's for sure. Agschmid Jan 2016 #25

Yes tularetom Jan 2016 #6

Here is a clip. Tanuki Jan 2016 #9

Thanks Renew Deal Jan 2016 #13

That's already been talked about Dretownblues Jan 2016 #30

The $19 trillion gap is a lie. It is taken from a lie printed by the Wall Street Journal JDPriestly Jan 2016 #48

Here's the quote: firebrand80 Jan 2016 #10

If you look a the clip I posted above, she also said that the Sanders plan would hand it Tanuki Jan 2016 #14

Yup. Agschmid Jan 2016 #21

As I noted in another thread firebrand80 Jan 2016 #24

Hillary said that....A variartion of the same lie Armstead Jan 2016 #28

I know she did. But my question remains, is it true or not true that the Sanders plan Tanuki Jan 2016 #42

It would be similar an expansion of Medicare Armstead Jan 2016 #46

Do you (or anyone) have a link to the specifics of this? I would like to educate myself about it. Tanuki Jan 2016 #55

Details like that would be hashed out as part of the process.... Armstead Jan 2016 #60

Here's what Sanders had to say to CNN... ljm2002 Jan 2016 #62

Thank you, ljm, I hope it will be equally applied all across the country. Tanuki Jan 2016 #68

You do not know--nor do I because Sanders has not put out his health plan as he said he would-- riversedge Jan 2016 #29

"dismantle Medicare" is a bold-faced lie, period. arcane1 Jan 2016 #52

But my question is about returning administration of the Medicare expansion to the states. Tanuki Jan 2016 #57

It sounds like Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2016 #27

It was a lie that -- Sanders aside -- further confuised the whole issue Armstead Jan 2016 #38

Getting Single Payer passed is going to be quite difficult to begin with Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2016 #45

If true that confirms my point Armstead Jan 2016 #51

It worked for the GOP in 2010. joshcryer Jan 2016 #54

She took a dumb talking point and added her own twist. joshcryer Jan 2016 #12

I like the way Van Jones put it Renew Deal Jan 2016 #19

Two ways to look at it. joshcryer Jan 2016 #31

Me too Renew Deal Jan 2016 #39

I think it's a lame attempt at wooing the millennial women she's losing. arcane1 Jan 2016 #59

basically: She. Lied. Her. Ass. Off. kath Jan 2016 #18

What Chelsea Clinton said about Sanders dismantling Medicare, #aca etc and... riversedge Jan 2016 #26

State run programs are NOT universal healthcare. Agschmid Jan 2016 #34

How would Sanders ensure that states couldn't opt-out of "Berniecare"? Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2016 #36

We do not know because Sanders really has no put out any details of riversedge Jan 2016 #70

And yet the Bernie folks think Obama will endorse him. leftofcool Jan 2016 #32

Uh, hardly. You follow Hillary and Chelsea in making false claims. cali Jan 2016 #37

You apparently understand nothing about Bernie supporters whatchamacallit Jan 2016 #40

Um, I care very much... joshcryer Jan 2016 #49

Are you a Sanders supporter? whatchamacallit Jan 2016 #50

Yes. joshcryer Jan 2016 #53

I didn't know this whatchamacallit Jan 2016 #56

Oboy, a thread in which Hillary apologists can Ron Green Jan 2016 #58

Insubordinate and churlish Renew Deal Jan 2016 #61

I just saw a very short part of a video from 08 with HRC sadoldgirl Jan 2016 #67

As it looked to me, cheapdate Jan 2016 #69