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Proud Liberal Dem

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147. That's not my recollection
Thu Jan 14, 2016, 03:59 PM
Jan 2016

It barely passed because every single Republican voted against it and we didn't have a supermajority in the Senate at the time it was up for final vote, necessitating a simple majority of votes via reconciliation. Some Democrats (like Sanders) were surely disappointed that it didn't go far enough in the direction of SP (though the House and Senate tried to get a PO but that got blocked by Lieberman) but nearly every Democrat still voted for ACA, including Sanders AFAIK, because they knew it was going to help a lot of people nonetheless.

K&R 99Forever Jan 2016 #1
K&R down with 3rd way Katashi_itto Jan 2016 #2
Too much influence from the health insurance companies Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2016 #42
I am so SICK of the tax increase bullshit...just like Republicans, scaring people. Punkingal Jan 2016 #3
that is why she can not be Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #4
reason # 683 nt restorefreedom Jan 2016 #6
Hillary, once again, showin her true colors. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2016 #23
She is sounding like Trump already Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2016 #94
Sanders is talking like Trump: promsing single payer: when he has lewebley3 Jan 2016 #155
He voted for the ACA Tom Rinaldo Jan 2016 #164
He doest nothing but complain about the ACA: His supporter bash Obama lewebley3 Jan 2016 #177
Well you know what, I'll pay an extra four bucks or whatever per paycheck in order... ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #182
Bernie Wants To Expand ACA As Obama Promised In First Place... Hillary Blathering CorporatistNation Jan 2016 #206
This message was self-deleted by its author InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2016 #24
Clinton Inc. IS A Full On Corporatist Democrat... Certainly NOT A Progressive! CorporatistNation Jan 2016 #190
You been sleeping? Hillary has advocated her healh proposals since day one of riversedge Jan 2016 #5
yep, she evolved Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #9
And yet now she finds it politically expedient..... daleanime Jan 2016 #15
She doesn't want to be seen as agreeing with Bernie on something at this stage in the race. Dustlawyer Jan 2016 #33
You have absolutely nailed this here. closeupready Jan 2016 #52
She sounds like a republican congress with just being against something that her opponent is for...n artislife Jan 2016 #99
A hundred bingos for you Populist_Prole Jan 2016 #106
Good Hillary! Hand it to Bernie....I'm so ashamed of Hillary and her daughter at this time. ViseGrip Jan 2016 #132
She is as dense (hapless) as a dorknob. Bernie has a D- from the NRA. And she's using that? libdem4life Jan 2016 #143
Really, anything in there about getting rid of for-profit Insurance Companies? NorthCarolina Jan 2016 #16
She advocates for a system that is most profitable Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #20
She's horrible. SammyWinstonJack Jan 2016 #74
Now, she is attacking single payer as a "massive tax increase" virtualobserver Jan 2016 #27
Why doesn't she want single payer? Goblinmonger Jan 2016 #30
She previously advocated FOR her proposals - much like Obama did Tom Rinaldo Jan 2016 #32
Very reasonable post. I'd like to add, Dean is now a lobbyist, big pharma and health insurance dreamnightwind Jan 2016 #115
Oh, no. Tell me it isn't so. pangaia Jan 2016 #169
Howard Dean was never as Liberal as DU thought he was. Ikonoklast Jan 2016 #207
You know, I just last night learned that. pangaia Jan 2016 #208
And now she's opposing them. Pretty fast evolution, huh? jeff47 Jan 2016 #40
! Phlem Jan 2016 #138
Are you saying she is really in favor of single payer and that words from her campaign rhett o rick Jan 2016 #141
"...as she listened to people in her Town Halls-.." pangaia Jan 2016 #168
I know right! LOL! And don't you see how great it is for Hillary that her sudden evolution... ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #180
Now she's running an ad where she quoted bible verses back in 2014 or so. pangaia Jan 2016 #181
♪ A-pandering we will go, a-pandering we will go, hi-ho the diary oh, a-pandering we will go! ♪ nt ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #183
Yes. She MUST not win the Democratic nomination. We can not accept this from a Democratic President. stillwaiting Jan 2016 #7
Hillary really is her own worst enemy... she's so done, after this latest crap. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2016 #26
I keep hearing how intelligent she is Mnpaul Jan 2016 #114
I don't agree you can conclude from her actions that she isn't intelligent. I think her "mistakes" rhett o rick Jan 2016 #144
but the thing she really wants Mnpaul Jan 2016 #146
Medicare for all enid602 Jan 2016 #39
I would be completely fine with adopting France's system. stillwaiting Jan 2016 #48
single payer enid602 Jan 2016 #55
Your prescription is not even close to being good enough. Tort reform and de-regulation stillwaiting Jan 2016 #97
health enid602 Jan 2016 #167
The purpose of selling accross state lines is for companies with low standards to eridani Jan 2016 #194
selling insurance across state lines Mnpaul Jan 2016 #116
the problem with DU rules is that one only has to swear allegience to the party. Warren Stupidity Jan 2016 #199
Well then Hillary should be disqualified from consideration here Mnpaul Jan 2016 #200
And so who should be left out of our health care system? eom boobooday Jan 2016 #85
lawyers enid602 Jan 2016 #171
Europeans do have it. Scandinavian countries and Italy have a British style eridani Jan 2016 #193
South Korea has a national health insurance plan that covers everyone davidpdx Jan 2016 #205
SK and Taiwan both put in single payer in the 90s eridani Jan 2016 #213
I believe South Korea started phasing the program in around 88 davidpdx Jan 2016 #216
It's a political calculation and it reflects something very troubling: cali Jan 2016 #8
she has none Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #11
I don't think she has any core beliefs except that she wants to be president. djean111 Jan 2016 #12
Bingo. tazkcmo Jan 2016 #18
+1 daleanime Jan 2016 #19
Her beliefs are Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author appalachiablue Jan 2016 #63
Hillary? Core beliefs? hahahahaha InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2016 #29
she will do or say anything to get the power she feels belongs to her...... bowens43 Jan 2016 #10
Not to worry... Hillary is finished, over, done. Time for Bernie to lead us. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2016 #31
ha ha. You have that vision thingy like Sanders--pie in the sky thinking. riversedge Jan 2016 #86
That's just pathetic. Phlem Jan 2016 #140
"Vision thing" was bvf Jan 2016 #160
Let me ask you a very simple question: are you for single payer health care? nt Javaman Jan 2016 #170
Camp Weathervain in full Repuke mode.... Indepatriot Jan 2016 #13
Full desperation mode Mnpaul Jan 2016 #25
She is completely corrupt due to her life in DC Doctor_J Jan 2016 #14
If Hillary is incapable of grasping Sanders' healthcare plan like Politifact did so easily, Jarqui Jan 2016 #17
In other words she has the backs of the big insurance and pharmaceutical companies raindaddy Jan 2016 #22
She comes across as the end product ...... Ichingcarpenter Jan 2016 #28
I'd happily pay more taxes if it meant I could get quality healthcare. MynameisBlarney Jan 2016 #34
Anyone who prefers a $900/month "premium" to a $200/month "tax" eridani Jan 2016 #195
Indeed. MynameisBlarney Jan 2016 #204
That is what is inexcusable Armstead Jan 2016 #35
they want to attack Sister Souljah *and* be "the BLM candidate" MisterP Jan 2016 #46
"an actual liberal/progressive would NOT throw goals under the bus and add to the GOP message." Tom Rinaldo Jan 2016 #101
Read Wendell Potter's "Deadly Spin" Triana Jan 2016 #36
Hmmm. Maybe he really did say snort Jan 2016 #54
Can we just do what every other civilized country in the world does for a change? EndElectoral Jan 2016 #37
What? And give up Empire? Proserpina Jan 2016 #43
You mean, not implement single payer? Recursion Jan 2016 #49
Fucking bullshit Armstead Jan 2016 #67
Yes it is, because about 3 quarters of people here think it just means "universal healthcare" Recursion Jan 2016 #76
The problem is we don't even move towards a mixed system Armstead Jan 2016 #80
Kickin' Faux pas Jan 2016 #38
I see people asking what would Trump have to do SamKnause Jan 2016 #41
Right on! PWPippin Jan 2016 #47
Despite how much they deny it, SheilaT Jan 2016 #112
Great post beltanefauve Jan 2016 #159
Thank you so very much. SamKnause Jan 2016 #162
Yep. You know what? Everyone was an infant, once - blank slates, all of us. closeupready Jan 2016 #44
Also, how many DU members have sickened, or even sadly died, due to lack of closeupready Jan 2016 #45
My son's death is directly related to a shit insurance policy Oilwellian Jan 2016 #107
So sorry for your loss. closeupready Jan 2016 #110
how many of us have had to work while seriously ill in order to keep our insurance? Warren Stupidity Jan 2016 #201
As a Hillary supporter, I don't like this firebrand80 Jan 2016 #50
Why aren't you objecting to the lie, not its political expediency? JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #57
I like to save my attacks for Republicans firebrand80 Jan 2016 #64
In other words you are fine with blatant lies in a Democratic primary if helps. Good2know.. JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #68
I'm not ok with lies firebrand80 Jan 2016 #72
But Hillary is not saving her attacks for Republicans... ljm2002 Jan 2016 #89
Sad dorkzilla Jan 2016 #83
Third Way Fresh Thinking. Wow are you sure you are a Democrat at all? nt thereismore Jan 2016 #102
I've been saying for years Oilwellian Jan 2016 #108
It sure sounds like it. nt thereismore Jan 2016 #109
So you dont like this but what more would it take? Rilgin Jan 2016 #118
This current healthcare fight firebrand80 Jan 2016 #125
Hillary's ability to protect the status quo? Rilgin Jan 2016 #151
He has plenty of specifics. They are all in his own single payer health care bill. n/t eridani Jan 2016 #196
Which is why Hillary is DINO, she is no better than the GOP, she's one of them, only she mother earth Jan 2016 #51
Not to mention reproductive rights, voting rights, higher taxes on the very rich cali Jan 2016 #59
We need to stop listening to the tax grumps. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #53
Anybody who argues we can't have universal healthcare because it is too expensive is a complete ass boobooday Jan 2016 #56
Just don't take away my Obamacare Politicub Jan 2016 #58
Thank you for a sensible post. laureloak Jan 2016 #60
very clever use of initials there corkhead Jan 2016 #69
I can't figure out Bernie's proposals Politicub Jan 2016 #70
Bernie's proposals are not hard to figure out at all.... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #84
But didn't he want to make it every state's responsibility? Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2016 #105
That's another Hillary distortion.... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #111
This is NOTHING compared to what is going on in the Republican's circus tent Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2016 #113
People said that about "Obamacare" too. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #123
ACA (barely) got passed Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2016 #139
Partly because it didn't go far enough. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #142
That's not my recollection Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2016 #147
I remember when the house passed it Politicub Jan 2016 #166
The Republican voted against their own additions.... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #184
To see the extent of the lie in the attack Rilgin Jan 2016 #121
Hillary supporters seem to feel everything she says is true and everyone else is lying. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #122
Under the control and oversight of the federal government. arcane1 Jan 2016 #154
SCOTUS made Medicaid expansion "optional" in the ACA Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2016 #156
Who's to say they won't? That's a stupid reason to not even TRY! n/t arcane1 Jan 2016 #157
Actually, I'm pretty sure that they will Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2016 #161
Lying about his plan is different than criticizing it. arcane1 Jan 2016 #163
That's an idea Politicub Jan 2016 #150
So we should just "cut it out".... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #153
Cut what out? Politicub Jan 2016 #165
Ask Hillary. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #186
Blah, blah, blah. Maedhros Jan 2016 #148
What every other developed country has actually achieved = "fantasy"? n/t eridani Jan 2016 #197
Your last paragraph is exactly how I've read that Bernie is laureloak Jan 2016 #62
He looked like he was sitting on a tack at the SOTU Politicub Jan 2016 #73
Sanders = Trump? Maedhros Jan 2016 #149
Funny that. The next step to "build a better system" from the foundation of the ACA rhett o rick Jan 2016 #145
True, if a Republican gets in the WH the ACA is history treestar Jan 2016 #203
They would rather burn down the house than repair it Politicub Jan 2016 #209
You cannot have Single Payer without taxing EVERYONE to pay for it. Yavin4 Jan 2016 #61
Anything is better than what we have Armstead Jan 2016 #71
No, anything is not better than what we have Politicub Jan 2016 #75
ObamaCare is funded using TAX DOLLARS Rilgin Jan 2016 #176
Well, no, that's obviously not true Recursion Jan 2016 #77
Why are you so determnined to perpetuate a bad system? Armstead Jan 2016 #87
NAME THEM. 99Forever Jan 2016 #104
Most of Latin America and South Asia Recursion Jan 2016 #120
Ahhh I see.... 99Forever Jan 2016 #126
The Democratic Party that a whole lot of this site seems to hold in contempt Recursion Jan 2016 #127
Yet here you are sounding exactly like a Republican. 99Forever Jan 2016 #129
Explanation: you make up stories about people who disagree with you Recursion Jan 2016 #131
Yeah sure. 99Forever Jan 2016 #135
Yooge Plus One! Enthusiast Jan 2016 #179
Anything but a national sales tax DFW Jan 2016 #78
Thanks for that contribution anigbrowl Jan 2016 #187
I'd say that's an accurate assessment DFW Jan 2016 #188
Ouch anigbrowl Jan 2016 #189
The double taxation treaty is only useful if honored by both sides DFW Jan 2016 #191
Rad his damned single payer bill! Google is your friend! eridani Jan 2016 #198
I have anigbrowl Jan 2016 #211
Building coalitions to get Republican results is a bug, not a feature n/t eridani Jan 2016 #214
No it does not necessarily mean a national sales.tax. stop spreading misinformation cali Jan 2016 #88
Yup. Shadowflash Jan 2016 #65
Well this will win her votes Autumn Jan 2016 #66
Necessary more than ever, Right Now... freebrew Jan 2016 #79
And this why I will vote for Sanders.................... turbinetree Jan 2016 #81
She is now campaigning against a much better healthcare system? SoapBox Jan 2016 #82
K & R historylovr Jan 2016 #90
I'm VERY disappointed in HILLARY - the many faces of Hillary on HEALTHCARE Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2016 #91
How hypocritical. liberalnarb Jan 2016 #92
Another Uponthegears Jan 2016 #93
K&R! Duval Jan 2016 #95
She didn't say it had no merits and advantages, as you know. She said: pnwmom Jan 2016 #96
Repeating a lie is no defense Rilgin Jan 2016 #178
Hillary hss gone classic negative Tom Rinaldo Jan 2016 #185
K & R ! TIME TO PANIC Jan 2016 #98
Bernie's presence in this campaign is exposing the rot in our party. pa28 Jan 2016 #100
K&R azmom Jan 2016 #103
She'll try to trick people by favoring a "universal health care plan" dreamnightwind Jan 2016 #117
It's pretty funny to see all the people JoeyT Jan 2016 #119
Yes. It's rubber meets the road time Tom Rinaldo Jan 2016 #128
How can someone support her? Ferd Berfel Jan 2016 #124
She's a LIAR. in_cog_ni_to Jan 2016 #130
Kick and R BeanMusical Jan 2016 #133
Isn't Medicare Single Payer? EndElectoral Jan 2016 #134
Eh. Medicare has (large) copays and deductibles, plus premiums Recursion Jan 2016 #136
I will never forget (or really forgive either)... Tom Rinaldo Jan 2016 #137
Worse: She is LITERALLY DEFENDING health insurance companies. arcane1 Jan 2016 #152
After throwing the kitchen sink at him, only the gutter was left at her disposal. eom Betty Karlson Jan 2016 #158
Oligarchy contributing to her campaign is affecting this at all. Ivan Kaputski Jan 2016 #172
EVERYTHING basically comes down to a political calculation for Shillary. She's a Republican on this Still In Wisconsin Jan 2016 #173
All Democrats, across the board, should have a goal of Medicare for All. Anything else Enthusiast Jan 2016 #174
This message was self-deleted by its author Still In Wisconsin Jan 2016 #175
Bill Clinton: universal health coverage saves money eridani Jan 2016 #192
Shameful! merrily Jan 2016 #202
at this moment she is practicing what to say Sunday night . olddots Jan 2016 #210
knr time for the Dems to stop hiding behind the scary Repubs, aka taking convenient shelter ... slipslidingaway Jan 2016 #212
This is not an attack on single-payer. It's a call for Sanders to reveal how he'd pay for his propos riversedge Jan 2016 #215
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