2016 Postmortem

Green Forest

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75. I hate bullshit moving of goalposts. You said, "the house always wins" which did not happen in 2008.

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 02:14 PM

Jan 2016

Then you moved the goalposts and started talking about "comparative" establishment support vis a vis Barack vs. Bernie, which is irrelevant to my original point where I referenced my experience volunteering from Fall 2007-Jan. 2008.

Your point about Barack having as much establishment support as Clinton during that time is bullshit. You proved nothing. Where's the list of Senate endorsements of Hillary versus his? He did not have any Senator but Tom Kaine for quite a while compared to Hillary, which is why Senator Kennedy's endorsement after SC was so important for Barack. For you to say otherwise is wrong.

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Hillary had better be careful [View all] cali Jan 2016 OP

she did this in 2008 restorefreedom Jan 2016 #1

+1000 MissDeeds Jan 2016 #7

i thought she had the best of the best advising her. restorefreedom Jan 2016 #8

Er, the best of the best doesn't help when they are snoringvoter Jan 2016 #28

i guess the collective all think as one..... nt restorefreedom Jan 2016 #31

the best of the best can't help if you don't take their advice magical thyme Jan 2016 #62

mmmm, yes, the entitlement mentality. she knows best! nt restorefreedom Jan 2016 #86

Wrong: Hillary should fight against the Sanders fraudulent ideas lewebley3 Jan 2016 #76

Lol. Arugula Latte Jan 2016 #79

Thanks, lewebley3 Mike__M Jan 2016 #81

nothing fraudulent about the oligarchy trying to screw all of us restorefreedom Jan 2016 #87

Sanders has no plan to take on the oligarchy: he never has: lewebley3 Jan 2016 #97

alrighty. have a nice day. nt restorefreedom Jan 2016 #98

Just a fact: lewebley3 Jan 2016 #99

you are free to have your opinion restorefreedom Jan 2016 #100

I've read you say the same thing a few times with no evidence gilpo Jan 2016 #101

Sanders cannot breakup the banks: He just like Trump an his wall lewebley3 Jan 2016 #104

I absolutely agree with you on both counts Tom Rinaldo Jan 2016 #2

Hi Tom. I want to take the opportunity to commend and thank you cali Jan 2016 #3

Thanks cali. I still am in awe of the consistantly thoughtful stream of postings you make here Tom Rinaldo Jan 2016 #4

Just wanted to let you both know snoringvoter Jan 2016 #30

Thank you so much for the kind words cali Jan 2016 #34

Same here Tom. great stuff. And, Cali, some great posts and threads in the last few days as well. emulatorloo Jan 2016 #64

Hillary showing her true colors... only going to destroy what little credibility she has left. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2016 #6

One of the reasons the "Anyone but Hillary" contigent is so large in the first place is that winter is coming Jan 2016 #27

Agreed, and I have been gobsmacked by her reversion to the same Nay Jan 2016 #37

She's learned amazingly little from her '08 run. winter is coming Jan 2016 #42

Hillary is going all 'Sister Souljah' on 30-45% of the KingCharlemagne Jan 2016 #57

For the most part I agree. Agschmid Jan 2016 #5

Agschmid (yikes, spellcheck just turned that into Kashmir) cali Jan 2016 #10

I disagree here, I agree Bernie has not gone negative however I feel Jeff Weaver has. Agschmid Jan 2016 #13

Can you be specific and give examples? cali Jan 2016 #16

I can, I'm eating my breakfast right now and then out to knock on 90 doors... Agschmid Jan 2016 #17

I read about her remark in context Voice for Peace Jan 2016 #55

Sorry Clinton did not attack Bernie's grandchildren. emulatorloo Jan 2016 #63

It's not an attack. Voice for Peace Jan 2016 #89

Weaver has only responded to the negative and awful attacks on Sanders from Hillary's campaign. sabrina 1 Jan 2016 #70

Instigators, her campaign is full of them...nt artislife Jan 2016 #93

Yes, they seem to think that bullying people is the way to go. I saw so many complaints on Social sabrina 1 Jan 2016 #102

I too still think she has the advantage though that has significantly eroded Jarqui Jan 2016 #9

Good, thoughtful post, Jarqui. senz Jan 2016 #82

The House does not "always win." It did not win in 2008. It won't win in 2016. Green Forest Jan 2016 #11

Of course it did. Obama had huge democratic establishment support from cali Jan 2016 #14

You're entitled to your opinion but I disagree. I volunteered for Barack in Iowa beginning in Fall 2007 Green Forest Jan 2016 #20

It's not anopinion. It's FACT. Bernie has 3 Super Delegates cali Jan 2016 #23

I think people forget temporary311 Jan 2016 #36

You decided who is "The House" in 2016 using blue links. I was there on the ground in Iowa in 2007. Green Forest Jan 2016 #49

No, I wasn't in Iowa but I was in NH a couple cali Jan 2016 #61

"Obama had as much" establishment support "as Clinton" in fall 2007? I don't think so. Green Forest Jan 2016 #71

I detest dishonest bull. I did not say fall of 2007. I've proven my claims. You? cali Jan 2016 #73

I hate bullshit moving of goalposts. You said, "the house always wins" which did not happen in 2008. Green Forest Jan 2016 #75

exactly!! The "house" backed Obama and abandoned Hillary though Obama's hardcore supporters m-lekktor Jan 2016 #22

Agree! mountain grammy Jan 2016 #32

Thanks for the link, Green Forest. senz Jan 2016 #84

Absolutely agree lostnfound Jan 2016 #12

She has already lost a lot of them. nt artislife Jan 2016 #95

Great post Dretownblues Jan 2016 #15

if HRC wins I think Jim Webb has a serious chance as a third party candidate zazen Jan 2016 #18

Respectfully, I Gotta Disagree Chasstev365 Jan 2016 #21

because 50% of Repubs are really conserva-dems; they hate Trump & hate HRC zazen Jan 2016 #26

If she wins Old Codger Jan 2016 #46

really? he seems to have dropped off the radar Politicub Jan 2016 #44

yep, he's floating it n/t zazen Jan 2016 #59

I really don't take issue with much of anything she has done. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #19

I'm not sure Hillary sulphurdunn Jan 2016 #24

I have thought the same aintitfunny Jan 2016 #25

Excellent post! mountain grammy Jan 2016 #33

Hillary; "All or Nothing" =Nothing andrewv1 Jan 2016 #29

You raise some valid points Nonhlanhla Jan 2016 #35

And yet you are unable to give one example of cali Jan 2016 #39

Bernie had to rein in Weaver and Devine over 'she'd make a good VP" snark emulatorloo Jan 2016 #66

Obama campaign official Samantha Power called Hillary a monster who will do anything to get Bluenorthwest Jan 2016 #88

Yes. Harsh verbiage from operatives is indeed a constant. emulatorloo Jan 2016 #90

A few things.... Indepatriot Jan 2016 #51

I provided examples Nonhlanhla Jan 2016 #69

What did he steal? artislife Jan 2016 #96

You? Annoy? Cary Jan 2016 #38

Anything cogent to offer? That's largely, but not entirely, rhetorical. cali Jan 2016 #40

It's largely changing the subject as a defensive ploy Cary Jan 2016 #48

Doesn't that make it.... daleanime Jan 2016 #52

The atmosphere here does not meet my standards for common decency Cary Jan 2016 #56

Your first comment in this thread was a snotty little swipe at the OP lacking in any topicality Bluenorthwest Jan 2016 #91

Nice "I know you are but what am I." Cary Jan 2016 #94

If we've gotten to the point where Hillary Clinton is what the house is offering ...... raindaddy Jan 2016 #41

Yes! It doesn't have to be Bernie, although Bernie is fantastic and will do just fine. Just offer Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #50

My apologies Ed, I was in the process of editing my post when you replied.. raindaddy Jan 2016 #58

Great post. Jackilope Jan 2016 #43

I'll send Hillary a link to your advice. MineralMan Jan 2016 #45

Lately, it sure doesn't look that way. cali Jan 2016 #77

I don't disagree with you in that Nyan Jan 2016 #47

Is it possible for her ejbr Jan 2016 #53

Sunday's debate should be very interesting, I think. emulatorloo Jan 2016 #68

It's her 2016 version of a "3AM Phonecall". SoapBox Jan 2016 #54

An in-depth analysis of her 2008 campaign... Ino Jan 2016 #60

Why do Dems want someone who has no common sense? Fawke Em Jan 2016 #65

Favorably contrast? Not so much sonofspy777 Jan 2016 #67

Kind of the history of the Clintons. Gmak Jan 2016 #72

I think a lot of primary voters are less than solidly in anyone's camp (nt) Babel_17 Jan 2016 #74

She's alienating the people she will require if she is the nominee. Vinca Jan 2016 #78

I am tired of Hillary and sick of hearing the 'same old-same old'. Paper Roses Jan 2016 #80

That's one of many issues I have with her..... vi5 Jan 2016 #83

she is making opposition to single-payer healthcare the establishment Democratic Party position Douglas Carpenter Jan 2016 #85

That's what troubles me most. cali Jan 2016 #92

her campaign so insular SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #103

It's all about Hillary. Party interests and long term visions be damned. eom Betty Karlson Jan 2016 #105

The Democratic Establishment knows she's toast. But they'd like her to take down Bernie and open Skwmom Jan 2016 #106