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In reply to the discussion: With his fantasy health-care proposal, the Bernie movement becomes closer to a left-wing tea party. [View all]anigbrowl
(13,889 posts)207. Next, an attempt to assert authority over the terms of the discourse
I'm urged to 'calm down' even though I'm not the one using loaded language or foreclosing the discussion with slogans. Surprises are a normal part of life and that's why I make contingency plans, plural, as opposed to faith-based 'solutions.'
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With his fantasy health-care proposal, the Bernie movement becomes closer to a left-wing tea party. [View all]
DanTex
Jan 2016
OP
There's nothing fantastic about a program that every other developed nation has
Proserpina
Jan 2016
#1
Umm, OK then. I consider him probably best liberal economist out there, but under the bus he goes!
DanTex
Jan 2016
#124
Worse coverage? Only those with so called Cadillac plans will have "worse" coverage
randys1
Jan 2016
#180
We can't have it b/c the health insurance corporations have the corrupt politicians in their pockets
Skwmom
Jan 2016
#14
We can't have it because politicians like Sanders aren't serious about working out how to get there.
baldguy
Jan 2016
#32
But we have to start by electing officials that are MOTIVATED to pursue change...
cascadiance
Jan 2016
#227
Because people like you are not willing to acknowledge the complexity involved
anigbrowl
Jan 2016
#179
It won't sell itself. It will take LEADERSHIP to sell it. The first step is having the guts to
mhatrw
Jan 2016
#218
You can thank Rahm Emanuel's DCCC for that BS, whose candidates they pushed...
cascadiance
Jan 2016
#228
As a great philospher once said: Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth!
Human101948
Jan 2016
#196
Calm down...what I am saying is that you may be surprised at what develops
Human101948
Jan 2016
#203
Just because you are content to live in a second rate shithole of a country don't tell the rest of
CBGLuthier
Jan 2016
#2
Developed countries other than the U.S. spend half of what we do with better results...
Human101948
Jan 2016
#53
Look up the tax rates. They pay more. Sweden, for example, which that article brings up.
DanTex
Jan 2016
#69
Trying to point out that healthcare costs are not the source of high taxes...
Human101948
Jan 2016
#74
Healthcare is part of the source of the high taxes. But it's true, if all Bernie wanted to
DanTex
Jan 2016
#78
I'm not pretending that at all. You should stop pretending it wouldn't require a big tax increase,
DanTex
Jan 2016
#173
No-one said they did. Again you're just trying to make the case for Hillary's Obamacare Plus plan.
Kentonio
Jan 2016
#191
Umm, Bernie's plan wasn't released until Sunday, that article was posted Saturday.
DanTex
Jan 2016
#197
Interesting. Not sure vouching for this plan is going to do much for Reich's credibility going
DanTex
Jan 2016
#199
DanTex. He's far more qualified to analyze a national health care system than Robert Reich.
Ed Suspicious
Jan 2016
#208
You realize Bernie didn't make up his numbers, they were calculated by a real actual economist.
Ed Suspicious
Jan 2016
#205
name one that spends anywhere near as much per capita for nonuniversal coverage. nt
mhatrw
Jan 2016
#128
And I agree, there is something to that. So far all the crazy has come from one side.
DanTex
Jan 2016
#7
The "desperate" line is getting old. Bernie's SP numbers simply don't add up, and everyone who's
DanTex
Jan 2016
#11
Bernie's not "realistic" enough, so you'll take corporate profiteering and like it! nt
mhatrw
Jan 2016
#130
This ^ putting down the use of the "left wing tea party" term was alerted on
RiverLover
Jan 2016
#44
Maybe you could explain it to me then. It's true, I haven't been reading much DU recently.
DanTex
Jan 2016
#24
Well, since Bernie's plan doesn't add up, we don't know who exactly would pay more.
DanTex
Jan 2016
#31
I wouldn't mind paying higher taxes, not just for universal healthcare, but for a lot of other
DanTex
Jan 2016
#51
Lots of people die young. Most young people think they'll never get sick or old.
stopbush
Jan 2016
#214
Maybe it would be a good thing to lure some of those voters away from Trump?
Human101948
Jan 2016
#65
They need a lot of re-education before they'd be worthy members of the Democratic coalition.
baldguy
Jan 2016
#84
Nobody is accepting their racist, xenophobic or misogynist predilictions...
Human101948
Jan 2016
#92
Trump supporters don't hate Wall St & the 1% for taking a majority of the pie & leaving crumbs
baldguy
Jan 2016
#111
Here is a real fantasy - believing anything that Hillary says will actually happen. n/t
djean111
Jan 2016
#25
Croutons and a nice vinaigrette wouldn't help this angry word salad.
cherokeeprogressive
Jan 2016
#39
Interesting choice of phrase, since Krugman, who popularized "VSP" is one of the people pointing out
DanTex
Jan 2016
#73
Obamacare doesn't represent failed ambitions to me. I don't get the obsession with single payer.
DanTex
Jan 2016
#91
Thanks for the insight. The point that I'm trying to make is that in terms of coverage and cost
DanTex
Jan 2016
#95
There are probably very few countries where everyone is thrilled with their system
DFW
Jan 2016
#109
Actually, the opposite is true. Bernie supporters automatically assume the plan will work simply
DanTex
Jan 2016
#96
Not working...Another posting that tells me to 100% support Bernie! Great thanks! Bernie 2016!
Yupy
Jan 2016
#100
You're right, it's fantasy proposals that have turned the Democratic party into a 3rd way........
raindaddy
Jan 2016
#119
She wants to improve Obamacare to get it working like other similar mandate/subsidy
DanTex
Jan 2016
#126
Bullshit. Obamacare is unpopular for a reason. Big Pharma, Big Hospitals and Big Insurance
mhatrw
Jan 2016
#219
Single payer and universal healthcare are not the same thing. I'm always surprised how many people
DanTex
Jan 2016
#137
No, it's definitely not. You can have single payer without universal coverage, and you can have
DanTex
Jan 2016
#146
It's universal, but it's not single payer. Not sure why this is so complicated.
DanTex
Jan 2016
#149
Jeezus Fucking Christ. This health plan is what EVERY other industrialized country has
Matariki
Jan 2016
#151
Sorry- Bernie's numbers don't add up. Saying fuck that does not make them add up
redstateblues
Jan 2016
#164
In other words, you are completely wrong about Germany and sort of right about The Netherlands
Nanjeanne
Jan 2016
#236
OPs like these do a disservice to the Democratic Party and whomever you are supporting. nt
TheBlackAdder
Jan 2016
#165
Independents and moderates would be more apt to support Bernie's positions on TPP and H-1B visas...
cascadiance
Jan 2016
#231
Are you talking about the fantasy health program virtually everyone on this site supported in 2008?
Vinca
Jan 2016
#183
It goes to show just how important leadership is. I don't want to be led down the dark hallway of
Ed Suspicious
Jan 2016
#212
Krugman-Sanders health plan looks a little bit like a standard Republican tax-cut plan
Gothmog
Jan 2016
#225
It is *IMPOSSIBLE* for America to enjoy the same level of healthcare as every other developed nation
Romulox
Jan 2016
#240
Be honest--you and the other tax protesters OPPOSE universal care because of self interest ($$$)
Romulox
Jan 2016
#242
Tax protester, what? It's not a protest, its just a matter of the numbers not adding up.
DanTex
Jan 2016
#243
I'm the one who volunteers to chip in to cover all Americans. You're the one...who won't.
Romulox
Jan 2016
#246