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There's nothing fantastic about a program that every other developed nation has Proserpina Jan 2016 #1
Single Payer could work here, but not the way Bernie has proposed. DanTex Jan 2016 #5
Krugman is a Clinton shill. mhatrw Jan 2016 #121
Umm, OK then. I consider him probably best liberal economist out there, but under the bus he goes! DanTex Jan 2016 #124
^^^this^^^ and it's not a fantasy in 29 other countries! ViseGrip Jan 2016 #176
Worse coverage? Only those with so called Cadillac plans will have "worse" coverage randys1 Jan 2016 #180
Well, if Medicare is the standard he's aiming at, then, yes, there are DanTex Jan 2016 #190
We can't have it b/c the health insurance corporations have the corrupt politicians in their pockets Skwmom Jan 2016 #14
We can't have it because politicians like Sanders aren't serious about working out how to get there. baldguy Jan 2016 #32
Clinton is serious that she won't do anything except give us more of the same mhatrw Jan 2016 #123
If it's too difficult for her than she's obviously not up to the job. n/t Skwmom Jan 2016 #172
Clinton is serious about her positions because of... Champion Jack Jan 2016 #237
Therein lies the biggest problem with BS's plan Gman Jan 2016 #56
Why can't the USA do what EVERY other first world country can do? nt mhatrw Jan 2016 #125
There's a whole lot more to be done beyond Gman Jan 2016 #145
But we have to start by electing officials that are MOTIVATED to pursue change... cascadiance Jan 2016 #227
Because people like you are not willing to acknowledge the complexity involved anigbrowl Jan 2016 #179
It won't sell itself. It will take LEADERSHIP to sell it. The first step is having the guts to mhatrw Jan 2016 #218
And when it doesn't happen Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2016 #166
Yup. They proudly proclaimed they were going to teach the party a lesson Gman Jan 2016 #170
You can thank Rahm Emanuel's DCCC for that BS, whose candidates they pushed... cascadiance Jan 2016 #228
Wow. That's incredible Gman Jan 2016 #252
^ I recommend this post. nt anigbrowl Jan 2016 #181
I couldn't agree more. Andy823 Jan 2016 #186
^^^^this right here^^^^ nt restorefreedom Jan 2016 #72
Bingo! TIME TO PANIC Jan 2016 #98
nothing fantastic . . . enid602 Jan 2016 #38
The US does not have universal health care under the ACA Kall Jan 2016 #50
Universal Healthcare enid602 Jan 2016 #55
Germany doesn't have universal health care, either DFW Jan 2016 #79
The Swiss system is like BlueMTexpat Jan 2016 #102
Sounds a little simpler than Germany DFW Jan 2016 #114
It's actually quite reasonable, all things considered! BlueMTexpat Jan 2016 #167
ACA - Very Complicated. gordyfl Jan 2016 #115
"My goal is noble, therefore I don't need a plan." anigbrowl Jan 2016 #184
It has no chance of being adopted in the real world Gothmog Jan 2016 #40
If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem... Human101948 Jan 2016 #52
I like living in the real world where electablity and viability are issues Gothmog Jan 2016 #152
If you promise voters more of the same... Human101948 Jan 2016 #154
Here’s One Big Problem With The Bernie Sanders Plan For Health Care Utopia Gothmog Jan 2016 #226
Yeah, I agree with that writer... Human101948 Jan 2016 #233
Rhetoric is a poor substitute for policy anigbrowl Jan 2016 #185
If you set your sights low that's where you will end up... Human101948 Jan 2016 #187
Enjoy your catchphrases anigbrowl Jan 2016 #192
As a great philospher once said: Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth! Human101948 Jan 2016 #196
And a predictable switch to intimidation and bully talk anigbrowl Jan 2016 #200
Calm down...what I am saying is that you may be surprised at what develops Human101948 Jan 2016 #203
Next, an attempt to assert authority over the terms of the discourse anigbrowl Jan 2016 #207
What plans are those? Human101948 Jan 2016 #209
Was going to point out the same thing. zeemike Jan 2016 #99
Once again, mixing up the goal and the implementation anigbrowl Jan 2016 #175
And Hillary supporters are now the NO WE CAN'T wing of the party. ViseGrip Jan 2016 #178
Just because you are content to live in a second rate shithole of a country don't tell the rest of CBGLuthier Jan 2016 #2
We can do it, just not with Bernie's numbers. DanTex Jan 2016 #6
So, we can improve Obama care, safeinOhio Jan 2016 #12
The thing is, this particular SP plan would not be a start at all. DanTex Jan 2016 #16
According to many safeinOhio Jan 2016 #21
According to who? DanTex Jan 2016 #23
The same Krugman that wants safeinOhio Jan 2016 #28
Actually Krugman doesn't place too much emphasis on breaking up big banks, DanTex Jan 2016 #33
It this thread about banks or health care? baldguy Jan 2016 #34
Sorry, I thought it was about Krugman. safeinOhio Jan 2016 #36
military enid602 Jan 2016 #43
So why are WE pissing so much money away on military spending? Art_from_Ark Jan 2016 #46
military enid602 Jan 2016 #48
Um, Bernie IS suggesting a shift away from bloated mlitary spending Art_from_Ark Jan 2016 #66
military enid602 Jan 2016 #68
Not good enough, Bernie!, says the warhawk supporter. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #206
At least part of why is because Europe doesn't mythology Jan 2016 #220
Developed countries other than the U.S. spend half of what we do with better results... Human101948 Jan 2016 #53
And they pay more in taxes. DanTex Jan 2016 #58
How can half be more? Human101948 Jan 2016 #62
Look up the tax rates. They pay more. Sweden, for example, which that article brings up. DanTex Jan 2016 #69
Trying to point out that healthcare costs are not the source of high taxes... Human101948 Jan 2016 #74
Healthcare is part of the source of the high taxes. But it's true, if all Bernie wanted to DanTex Jan 2016 #78
You mean the Wall Street Journal people? Human101948 Jan 2016 #83
Absolutely correct TubbersUK Jan 2016 #251
He's not proposing Swedish level taxes because he's not... tex-wyo-dem Jan 2016 #139
What? coyote Jan 2016 #85
Taxes have a lot to do with healthcare in countries with single payer. DanTex Jan 2016 #87
Please stop pretending single payer would make healthcare more expensive. Kentonio Jan 2016 #163
I'm not pretending that at all. You should stop pretending it wouldn't require a big tax increase, DanTex Jan 2016 #173
No-one said they did. Again you're just trying to make the case for Hillary's Obamacare Plus plan. Kentonio Jan 2016 #191
Which economists think Bernie's plan is great? DanTex Jan 2016 #193
Robert Reich for starters. Kentonio Jan 2016 #195
Umm, Bernie's plan wasn't released until Sunday, that article was posted Saturday. DanTex Jan 2016 #197
Reich saw the plan before it was released. Kentonio Jan 2016 #198
Interesting. Not sure vouching for this plan is going to do much for Reich's credibility going DanTex Jan 2016 #199
Or perhaps he believes its a good plan. Kentonio Jan 2016 #201
DanTex. He's far more qualified to analyze a national health care system than Robert Reich. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #208
Single payer would save hundreds of billions each year on healthcare costs. mhatrw Jan 2016 #127
You realize Bernie didn't make up his numbers, they were calculated by a real actual economist. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #205
"Europe" has several different types of BlueMTexpat Jan 2016 #105
name one that spends anywhere near as much per capita for nonuniversal coverage. nt mhatrw Jan 2016 #128
That really wasn't the point that I was BlueMTexpat Jan 2016 #168
I'm European, and I think you're full of it. anigbrowl Jan 2016 #188
Well that is what Jon Stewart said we would have to do if we wanted to win. Kalidurga Jan 2016 #3
And I agree, there is something to that. So far all the crazy has come from one side. DanTex Jan 2016 #7
Well, you did call us Bernie supporters the... tex-wyo-dem Jan 2016 #141
Reminds me of all those left wing tea partiers mmonk Jan 2016 #4
debt enid602 Jan 2016 #45
Oh for cyring out loud.. Kentonio Jan 2016 #60
cheney enid602 Jan 2016 #67
If he said that, then he was quite correct. Kentonio Jan 2016 #77
Don't worry Kentonio... intersectionality Jan 2016 #117
In the current economic model, yes, consumer spending is the driver. malthaussen Jan 2016 #103
Debt is not always caused on the spending side. mmonk Jan 2016 #63
Beat me to it. Fuddnik Jan 2016 #81
We aren't broke. CrispyQ Jan 2016 #133
+1! tex-wyo-dem Jan 2016 #144
such a ridiculous post.....the hill people are getting very desperate bowens43 Jan 2016 #8
The "desperate" line is getting old. Bernie's SP numbers simply don't add up, and everyone who's DanTex Jan 2016 #11
And Bernie's unelectable, too, I suppose Proserpina Jan 2016 #17
Yes they do. Every country with single payer pays far less than America. Kall Jan 2016 #41
Even countries without single payer pay far less than America. DanTex Jan 2016 #49
You're a real piece of work Kall Jan 2016 #57
Gee, a personal attack. DanTex Jan 2016 #61
I admire your ability to present a cogent argument stopbush Jan 2016 #97
You insult Sanders' supporters by calling them a left-wing "tea party." Chef Eric Jan 2016 #116
It's hilarious when people can't refute DanTex's facts redstateblues Jan 2016 #118
What facts? All he has is bald assertions--opinions. Proserpina Jan 2016 #189
Bernie's not "realistic" enough, so you'll take corporate profiteering and like it! nt mhatrw Jan 2016 #130
Might be getting old, but it's still completely accurate. NorthCarolina Jan 2016 #76
"Left-wing tea party"? beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #9
This ^ putting down the use of the "left wing tea party" term was alerted on RiverLover Jan 2016 #44
LOL! beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #161
Really? cannabis_flower Jan 2016 #10
That was referring to his financial reform plans, not his Single Payer. DanTex Jan 2016 #13
Single Payer is an integral part of his financial reform plans Proserpina Jan 2016 #18
How so? I don't see how financial regulations and healthcare are related. DanTex Jan 2016 #19
Break out of the Hillary group once in a while and catch up Proserpina Jan 2016 #22
Maybe you could explain it to me then. It's true, I haven't been reading much DU recently. DanTex Jan 2016 #24
economists enid602 Jan 2016 #47
Okay.. let's talk about this... cannabis_flower Jan 2016 #27
Well, since Bernie's plan doesn't add up, we don't know who exactly would pay more. DanTex Jan 2016 #31
You know... cannabis_flower Jan 2016 #42
I wouldn't mind paying higher taxes, not just for universal healthcare, but for a lot of other DanTex Jan 2016 #51
The people who would mind are young people who rarely get sick. stopbush Jan 2016 #108
Everyone gets old. Kentonio Jan 2016 #162
Lots of people die young. Most young people think they'll never get sick or old. stopbush Jan 2016 #214
With your present combined income you and your INdemo Jan 2016 #106
Yeah we know who likes to side with the tea party Mnpaul Jan 2016 #15
And who is openly courting Trump voters? baldguy Jan 2016 #37
Hillary? Human101948 Jan 2016 #54
Sanders. As you should know. baldguy Jan 2016 #59
Maybe it would be a good thing to lure some of those voters away from Trump? Human101948 Jan 2016 #65
They need a lot of re-education before they'd be worthy members of the Democratic coalition. baldguy Jan 2016 #84
Nobody is accepting their racist, xenophobic or misogynist predilictions... Human101948 Jan 2016 #92
Trump supporters don't hate Wall St & the 1% for taking a majority of the pie & leaving crumbs baldguy Jan 2016 #111
How did he pander to them? Human101948 Jan 2016 #136
As opposed to completely indistinguishable from a republican pipoman Jan 2016 #20
The Republicans have voted to repeal Obamacare something like 50 times. DanTex Jan 2016 #26
Here is a real fantasy - believing anything that Hillary says will actually happen. n/t djean111 Jan 2016 #25
AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service nc4bo Jan 2016 #29
Juror #2... Oh boy... But accurate. Agschmid Jan 2016 #35
And that is worse than the RW corporate party leanings of Hillary? hobbit709 Jan 2016 #112
Let them compare us to Tea Bagers pinebox Jan 2016 #135
Ever More FUD Promoted By Team HRC cantbeserious Jan 2016 #30
Croutons and a nice vinaigrette wouldn't help this angry word salad. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2016 #39
Post removed Post removed Jan 2016 #64
Wow. My contempt for neoliberal democrats continues to be validated leftupnorth Jan 2016 #70
More "Very Serious People" bullshit. Odin2005 Jan 2016 #71
Interesting choice of phrase, since Krugman, who popularized "VSP" is one of the people pointing out DanTex Jan 2016 #73
ITT: Desperation MrChuck Jan 2016 #75
Why is that the goal? What's wrong with the German healthcare system? DanTex Jan 2016 #80
Are you advocating for that? MrChuck Jan 2016 #82
The German system is a lot like Obamacare. DanTex Jan 2016 #86
^^^naysaying MrChuck Jan 2016 #88
Obamacare doesn't represent failed ambitions to me. I don't get the obsession with single payer. DanTex Jan 2016 #91
We needn't agree. MrChuck Jan 2016 #101
Sorry for the link, but... MrChuck Jan 2016 #89
The German system is very cumbersome DFW Jan 2016 #90
Thanks for the insight. The point that I'm trying to make is that in terms of coverage and cost DanTex Jan 2016 #95
There are probably very few countries where everyone is thrilled with their system DFW Jan 2016 #109
This message was self-deleted by its author DanTex Jan 2016 #122
Onviously Hillary supporters immediately INdemo Jan 2016 #93
Actually, the opposite is true. Bernie supporters automatically assume the plan will work simply DanTex Jan 2016 #96
Never mind Krugman INdemo Jan 2016 #113
"Angry white people, Majic unicorns, Left-wing Tea party" think Jan 2016 #94
Not working...Another posting that tells me to 100% support Bernie! Great thanks! Bernie 2016! Yupy Jan 2016 #100
And the other choice is No-We-Can't! SoapBox Jan 2016 #104
I thnk your post would be better without the inflammatory headline. malthaussen Jan 2016 #107
One can only wonder. FlaGranny Jan 2016 #110
You're right, it's fantasy proposals that have turned the Democratic party into a 3rd way........ raindaddy Jan 2016 #119
How in the hell is Hillary Clinton "better" on healthcare? mhatrw Jan 2016 #120
She wants to improve Obamacare to get it working like other similar mandate/subsidy DanTex Jan 2016 #126
Bullshit. Obamacare is unpopular for a reason. Big Pharma, Big Hospitals and Big Insurance mhatrw Jan 2016 #219
Bernie if he wins will NOT be nominated is BS and bkkyosemite Jan 2016 #129
Nice word salad! redstateblues Jan 2016 #131
Thank you here I'll even throw in some croutons bkkyosemite Jan 2016 #138
It's truly sad "Democrats" are throwing universal health care under the bus pinebox Jan 2016 #132
Single payer and universal healthcare are not the same thing. I'm always surprised how many people DanTex Jan 2016 #137
It's the same thing pinebox Jan 2016 #140
No, it's definitely not. You can have single payer without universal coverage, and you can have DanTex Jan 2016 #146
Holland has universal health care and is single payer pinebox Jan 2016 #148
It's universal, but it's not single payer. Not sure why this is so complicated. DanTex Jan 2016 #149
No Dan pinebox Jan 2016 #211
Nope anigbrowl Jan 2016 #202
Holland has universal health care pinebox Jan 2016 #210
To improve Obamacare...Baby Steps: Having the Child I Always Wanted Omaha Steve Jan 2016 #134
I love the smell of desperation in the morning whatchamacallit Jan 2016 #142
Just a hint--you're probably not going to win this argument here DFW Jan 2016 #143
All these poor delusional countries Nanjeanne Jan 2016 #147
Oh, NO!! Left Wing!! Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2016 #150
Jeezus Fucking Christ. This health plan is what EVERY other industrialized country has Matariki Jan 2016 #151
That's not even close to true. DanTex Jan 2016 #156
It's truer than your OP Matariki Jan 2016 #157
Sorry- Bernie's numbers don't add up. Saying fuck that does not make them add up redstateblues Jan 2016 #164
This is just so wrong Nanjeanne Jan 2016 #234
In other words, I was exactly right. DanTex Jan 2016 #235
In other words, you are completely wrong about Germany and sort of right about The Netherlands Nanjeanne Jan 2016 #236
I was and continue to be 100% correct. DanTex Jan 2016 #238
OK You Win Nanjeanne Jan 2016 #239
How did it come to... peace13 Jan 2016 #153
Highly recommended taught_me_patience Jan 2016 #155
Left wing tea party? Z_California Jan 2016 #158
So every major country on earth has a tea party government? AgingAmerican Jan 2016 #159
Thanks Quayblue Jan 2016 #160
OPs like these do a disservice to the Democratic Party and whomever you are supporting. nt TheBlackAdder Jan 2016 #165
Didn't Ronald Reagan call Medicare a fantasty back in the 60's? EndElectoral Jan 2016 #169
The ACA is essentially a Repug system, sadoldgirl Jan 2016 #171
This is excellent analysis, DanTex Cali_Democrat Jan 2016 #174
If he runs against Trump he'll lose IMO CommonSenseDemocrat Jan 2016 #177
Independents and moderates would be more apt to support Bernie's positions on TPP and H-1B visas... cascadiance Jan 2016 #231
Obviously Hillary cannot run on the issues. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #182
Are you talking about the fantasy health program virtually everyone on this site supported in 2008? Vinca Jan 2016 #183
It goes to show just how important leadership is. I don't want to be led down the dark hallway of Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #212
Bummer Mike__M Jan 2016 #194
According to Hillary we can't have single-payer Demobrat Jan 2016 #204
"The numbers don't add up" ymetca Jan 2016 #213
"Left wing tea party" is an oxymoron. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #215
Interesting. You replied to this post at first..... Cali_Democrat Jan 2016 #222
Obviously Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #223
LOL! Cali_Democrat Jan 2016 #224
Lol, Dan being Dan! Nt Logical Jan 2016 #216
wow DonCoquixote Jan 2016 #217
Nature abhors a vacuum.The party leaders should have realized that. Autumn Jan 2016 #221
Krugman-Sanders health plan looks a little bit like a standard Republican tax-cut plan Gothmog Jan 2016 #225
No other civilized, advanced country has a for-profit system. Arugula Latte Jan 2016 #229
That's not true. DanTex Jan 2016 #230
So, it is all hopeless Bettie Jan 2016 #232
It is *IMPOSSIBLE* for America to enjoy the same level of healthcare as every other developed nation Romulox Jan 2016 #240
I disagree, I think it's possible. Just not with the plan Bernie presented. DanTex Jan 2016 #241
Be honest--you and the other tax protesters OPPOSE universal care because of self interest ($$$) Romulox Jan 2016 #242
Tax protester, what? It's not a protest, its just a matter of the numbers not adding up. DanTex Jan 2016 #243
It's a matter of grotesque self-interest masquerading as concern. nt Romulox Jan 2016 #244
Maybe you should look in the mirror... DanTex Jan 2016 #245
I'm the one who volunteers to chip in to cover all Americans. You're the one...who won't. Romulox Jan 2016 #246
Strange assumptions you are making. I'm actually the one who wants to pay more DanTex Jan 2016 #247
Bizarre projection from a person struggling to defend the indefensible. nt Romulox Jan 2016 #248
Mirror, mirror. DanTex Jan 2016 #249
it would only be possible if we regained control of BOTH the House and Senate. What are the odds? Bill USA Jan 2016 #250
Bernie Sanders's fiction-filled campaign Gothmog Jan 2016 #253
I've always believed that this is an apt description and comparison. NurseJackie Jan 2016 #254
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