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passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
58. I think you are wrong
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 05:42 PM
Jan 2016
Some of us tried to tell everyone then that once the ACA passed there was never going to be a building up of universal healthcare for all on top of it.


Because the numbers are going to force it. Too many people even on ACA cannot afford their deductibles and Hillary is not going to get them down by much (if at all), no matter what she says. And too many can't afford the premiums either...especially older people, as the premiums really go up for them.

Single payer will happen and the sooner we push it through (and it will take us...the public...pushing it, not just a senator or President) the sooner it will start to actually help the middle class move back toward middle class again.

Before it was passed, people couldn't see the numbers. They are starting to see them and pay attention now.
K&R..... daleanime Jan 2016 #1
Stay uninsured liberalmike27 Jan 2016 #162
I would rather have health care then insurance..... daleanime Jan 2016 #163
Amen. I found her to be annoying before this. I find her straight up dangerous since. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #2
Me too. Enthusiast Jan 2016 #76
and despite donalds problems PatrynXX Jan 2016 #112
She has no interest in ordinary people Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2016 #160
You're right, maybe Sanders shouldn't have proffered unicorns from his single payer pledge and then uponit7771 Jan 2016 #3
Jaysus, try reading cali Jan 2016 #7
He doesn't do reading. (nt) jeff47 Jan 2016 #18
Hillary: "Affordable health care is a basic human right." Hortensis Jan 2016 #48
Good post, but The Green Manalishi Jan 2016 #130
Hillary Clinton is committed to UNIVERSAL healthcare. Hortensis Jan 2016 #148
As I've said all along, I'll support the Democratic candidate The Green Manalishi Jan 2016 #157
Who doesn't?! uponit7771 Jan 2016 #140
Straight outta fox news those words are Lordquinton Jan 2016 #21
Can't point out the part that's false, that's ok... we don't have to talk about facts and stuff uponit7771 Jan 2016 #66
Unicorns are factual now? Lordquinton Jan 2016 #135
LOL! cui bono Jan 2016 #138
+1000. The worst thing to happen to single payer would be a failure to get it passed. baldguy Jan 2016 #99
Scalia warned us, if we legalized teh Gay Marriage before long people would be proffering unicorns Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #109
Yeah it's sick ablamj Jan 2016 #114
I've changed it to magical asterisks .. unicorns is too touchy for people uponit7771 Jan 2016 #139
The conservative Democrats lied to us. They said that we couldn't ask for more, that we rhett o rick Jan 2016 #136
No one told anyone that, people should stop believing everything they hear from FAUX news uponit7771 Jan 2016 #141
That and a still inadequate regulatory regimen mmonk Jan 2016 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #52
Hillary was for single-payer, before she was against it. Now 20 years later "It's just too hard" nt 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #5
"It's just too hard" ...like breaking up Wall Street R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2016 #40
... and then she has the audacity to instruct us to vote Jackilope Jan 2016 #129
I remember a time when we aspired to do things in this country because they were hard... avaistheone1 Jan 2016 #133
+10 nt 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #134
^^^ K&R for this post alone. Should be an OP. Thanks. ^^^ Hiraeth Jan 2016 #158
She needs to change her tune HassleCat Jan 2016 #6
K&R. Clinton is sending Single Payer backward. That's unforgivable. Auggie Jan 2016 #8
NO. This ISN'T THE TIME for that battle. Hortensis Jan 2016 #49
Not good at multitasking? passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #56
Have to do both, and now. The HC costs for average citizens is outrageous and we dont have to randys1 Jan 2016 #57
+1 Auggie Jan 2016 #85
Keep stocking up on dry powder Paulie Jan 2016 #98
The ACA is not sustainable in the long run. jeff47 Jan 2016 #122
Yes, the ACA will continue to be improved. Hortensis Jan 2016 #149
There Will Be NO Getting Money Out Of Politics If She's ChiciB1 Jan 2016 #128
It isn't up to our bought and paid for "Leaders" it is up to US. It is time the democratic "leaders" Vincardog Jan 2016 #9
Anyone paying attention knew this was going to happen. TM99 Jan 2016 #10
I think you are wrong passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #58
No, some of us did predict that TM99 Jan 2016 #63
I'm not talking about ACA passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #67
I would argue it is a combination then. TM99 Jan 2016 #71
There will always be private insurance companies. passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #78
Yes, now we are in agreement. TM99 Jan 2016 #90
This alone should galvanize us to BEAT her NOW. If she wins the damage will be done. stillwaiting Jan 2016 #11
Even if she doesn't win she will have caused huge damage pangaia Jan 2016 #33
"Apparatchiks" lol Quote of the day pinebox Jan 2016 #12
I'll share this EVERY SINGLE CHANCE I GET! pinebox Jan 2016 #13
THIS should be EVERYWHERE!! pangaia Jan 2016 #35
"Shame on ANY DEM who attacks single-payer." arcane1 Jan 2016 #51
She never once mentioned single payer in that vid dreamnightwind Jan 2016 #145
Great point! arcane1 Jan 2016 #161
+1 million n/t geardaddy Jan 2016 #59
Oh my. Stryder Jan 2016 #70
Thanks, pinebox. Duval Jan 2016 #79
"Shame On You, Hillary" Jackilope Jan 2016 #131
another extremely prominent DC democrat killed that off 7 years ago nt msongs Jan 2016 #14
Mr. Pop speaks the truth. Indepatriot Jan 2016 #15
+1 geardaddy Jan 2016 #61
It's always nice to have an advance excuse for your failure. brooklynite Jan 2016 #16
That is puerile nonsense cali Jan 2016 #17
Okay, try this... brooklynite Jan 2016 #20
Krugman is being pretty disingenuous... ymetca Jan 2016 #23
Good read! bvf Jan 2016 #73
Excellent article! Krugman is flat out lying. Enthusiast Jan 2016 #86
"No, We Can't!" mhatrw Jan 2016 #27
We have been fighting for single-payer for more than 80 years. jeff47 Jan 2016 #29
If by 'we', you mean America in general, I disagree. randome Jan 2016 #42
Because if you don't personally see it, it never happened, right? jeff47 Jan 2016 #47
That's the spin they put on it. zeemike Jan 2016 #50
Medicare needs a lot of improvement for it to work as single payer passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #64
Affordability is the first issue. zeemike Jan 2016 #75
T totally agree with everything you've said here. passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #84
No I could defiantly benefit from them. zeemike Jan 2016 #108
Let's get Bernie into office and see where that takes us! passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #116
Absolutely. zeemike Jan 2016 #121
Krugman is an establishment insider. n/t passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #60
I have added Krugman to my personal enemies list. Any single payer nay sayer gets to join. Enthusiast Jan 2016 #80
Krugman admits that Medicare for All is the best solution. He just doesn't think it worth fight for. Agony Jan 2016 #107
Really strange that an economist has jackshit to say about the ECONOMICS of single payer eridani Jan 2016 #142
More of the same from Clinton. democrank Jan 2016 #19
It ain't workin' on me. Enthusiast Jan 2016 #87
I think the lack of specificity by the Sanders campaign is causing the real damage. Renew Deal Jan 2016 #22
There is plenty of specificity. There is a real plan. It is the lies that are doing the damage. Enthusiast Jan 2016 #88
Have you looked at the plan? Renew Deal Jan 2016 #96
I found that plan you were looking for Renew Deal Jan 2016 #120
You are looking for it, not me. Enthusiast Jan 2016 #152
Single payer will never get through Congress. It's a pipe dream to think Bernie can beaglelover Jan 2016 #24
"No, We Can't!" mhatrw Jan 2016 #26
Everytime one of them oozes into my view - COMPLETE IGNORE! Elmer S. E. Dump Jan 2016 #34
good job! hopemountain Jan 2016 #94
Their "can't do" attitude is getting rather annoying Art_from_Ark Jan 2016 #101
Two or three of the worst have gone missing lately. Paka Jan 2016 #115
What ticks me off is even if they are on ignore you still see their OPS Elmer S. E. Dump Jan 2016 #155
The ACA ymetca Jan 2016 #30
Except fund all my treatment for multiple sclerosis shenmue Jan 2016 #97
I am so happy to hear that the ACA has helped you. I, too have a riversedge Jan 2016 #153
This message was self-deleted by its author Hissyspit Jan 2016 #150
Never, no, can't do it.... pangaia Jan 2016 #37
It will never Old Codger Jan 2016 #43
Yeah - all we need is some duct tape, a bit of imaginative sleight-of-hand Plucketeer Jan 2016 #82
There is a special circle of hell reserved for Hillary and all of her "No, We Can't" shills. mhatrw Jan 2016 #25
Huge +1! Enthusiast Jan 2016 #89
She's also the type to put the ACA on the table for a trade deal. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #28
And her campaign and supporters are starting to sound like Republicans Prism Jan 2016 #31
Starting??? Old Codger Jan 2016 #45
I wish I could rec this MuseRider Jan 2016 #32
Any damage that has been done is Bernie's fault for not presenting a remotely realistic plan. DanTex Jan 2016 #36
A vote for Hillary is a vote to take single-payer off the table for at least eight years. TIME TO PANIC Jan 2016 #38
She is selfish, arrogant, and entitled. Arugula Latte Jan 2016 #39
We will have Single Payer...Hillary is off the rails. That is a Democratic Foundation. libdem4life Jan 2016 #41
+1 an entire shit load. Enthusiast Jan 2016 #91
I think the opposite is true oberliner Jan 2016 #44
hillary is weak and phony hopemountain Jan 2016 #46
+1 a whole bunch! Enthusiast Jan 2016 #92
Very good point. Well spoken. nt Francis Booth Jan 2016 #53
And she is just getting started with her shit slinging. morningfog Jan 2016 #54
Reality check. Beacool Jan 2016 #55
We don't care about another fake assed organization like the Kaiser Family Foundation. Enthusiast Jan 2016 #93
yes, fake as in 'controlled by the establishment' hopemountain Jan 2016 #104
no we can't no we can't no we can't Armstead Jan 2016 #102
So lets just give up tularetom Jan 2016 #105
We can't get there Mnpaul Jan 2016 #111
The Republicons biggest fear about "Obamacare" Utopian Leftist Jan 2016 #62
That is what they want PowerToThePeople Jan 2016 #65
do you think this can be done without Dems controlling BOTH the House and Senate? Bill USA Jan 2016 #68
I think the opposite. Sanders' insistence that the ACA must now be replaced pnwmom Jan 2016 #69
K&R and I fear for what else she'd throw under the bus that will hurt us. CharlotteVale Jan 2016 #72
I'm not about to accept the ACA as the final evolution of this health care system. Enthusiast Jan 2016 #74
Yep Third Way Oligarchs -- like Krugman and Klein -- have no idea of what they speak. Hoyt Jan 2016 #77
No we can't no we can't no we can't no we can't no we can't no we can't Armstead Jan 2016 #100
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #81
I'm not sure it's the absolute worst thing, but it's pretty bad. K and R Smarmie Doofus Jan 2016 #83
Kicked and recommended a bazillion times! Because fuck this shit! Enthusiast Jan 2016 #95
K & R n/t TubbersUK Jan 2016 #103
Even if we reach for single-payer, and all we get is... Beartracks Jan 2016 #106
K&R Paka Jan 2016 #110
No, her ignoble quest for president emsimon33 Jan 2016 #113
Ignoble quest???? Beacool Jan 2016 #117
Also, "doing away with the insurance companies would tarnish Obama's legacy" Doctor_J Jan 2016 #118
The worst thing is Hillary felt the need to run another shitty campaign. morningfog Jan 2016 #119
The worst thing is Hillary felt the need to run at all. truebluegreen Jan 2016 #123
True. And a leopard can't change its stripes. morningfog Jan 2016 #124
Ha! Ha! Ha! Good one! DrBulldog Jan 2016 #126
The slogan "No, we can't" coming from the Clinton campaign is horrible for our nation. DrBulldog Jan 2016 #125
As Each Day Goes By, My Feelings About Her Plummet More... ChiciB1 Jan 2016 #127
Exactly how I feel as well. sammythecat Jan 2016 #147
Don't blame me. I told you already Hillary is disingenuous. avaistheone1 Jan 2016 #132
How about the huge long-term damage done to Democrats up and down the ticket by.... George II Jan 2016 #137
Leave it to the Democrats and Republicans and you will never see single payer. n/t jtuck004 Jan 2016 #143
Post removed Post removed Jan 2016 #144
K & R, I don't think it's the worst thing, but it IS terrible dreamnightwind Jan 2016 #146
I started out really supporting her, but now I've gone the other way. The more I see and hear RKP5637 Jan 2016 #151
Wow, we almost agree on this, Amimnoch Jan 2016 #154
k & r!!!!!!!!!!!!! marble falls Jan 2016 #156
$250,000 per hour is fine for her and Bill but she thinks $15 per hour is too much for you and me. Skeeter Barnes Jan 2016 #159
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