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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Imagine if our civil rights champions had the same disdain for pragmatism as some BS supporters have [View all]loyalsister
(13,390 posts)89. Imagine if civil rights champions rejected idealism in favor of pragmatism
Hillary is not talking about pragmatic incremental progress toward an ideal goal of single payer. She rejected the possibility alltogether.
Rather than saying "Sen. Sanders and I share a goal to improve healthcare, but we have different ideas about how to get there." Instead she trashes an idea that provides hope for progress that will benefit people who are falling out of or have never made it into the middle class.
Civil rights champions embraced pragmatism but not at the expense of idealism.
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Imagine if our civil rights champions had the same disdain for pragmatism as some BS supporters have [View all]
Empowerer
Jan 2016
OP
It's really a shame that people like you who are so quick to "stand with" the civil rights movement
Empowerer
Jan 2016
#12
If you were really there, you weren't paying any attention - anyone who was really there AND paying
Empowerer
Jan 2016
#84
I read these for entertainment. Of no value...just like keeping up. No ignores for me.
libdem4life
Jan 2016
#105
Counselor. You are arguing facts not in evidence, and well beyond the present case ...
1StrongBlackMan
Jan 2016
#157
I'd rather discuss candidates, speaking of equal rights yours adamantly opposed them:
beam me up scottie
Jan 2016
#3
He's on tape saying marriage is a "sacred" bond between a man and a woman?
beam me up scottie
Jan 2016
#28
No he didn't, when did he say marriage was "sacred" and only between a man and a woman?
beam me up scottie
Jan 2016
#64
No, it isn't. I don't put words in Hillary's mouth because I don't have to.
beam me up scottie
Jan 2016
#122
The problem with comments like this is that it reveals a cramped and narrow understanding of the
Empowerer
Jan 2016
#17
Your problem is that you think the civil rights movement consisted of marches
Empowerer
Jan 2016
#22
I appreciate your bringing up Charles Hamilton Houston, who apparently laid much legal groundwork
99th_Monkey
Jan 2016
#60
You don't see incrementalism in a 20-year effort to gradually dismantle the Separate but Equal
Empowerer
Jan 2016
#77
I can only imagine that fighting racial injustice from 1929 - 1950 would require 'incrementalism'
99th_Monkey
Jan 2016
#173
You're right but it wasn't just to avoid personal danger - there was a bigger strategy there
Empowerer
Jan 2016
#174
The Pragmatists have had half a century... how much more fucking time do they need?
SMC22307
Jan 2016
#153
50 years after the Civil Rights Movember, we still have racial discrimination in this country,
FrenchieCat
Jan 2016
#155
Exactly. I like Sanders' dreams, but they are just that in today's environment. I'm for progress
Hoyt
Jan 2016
#23
Pragmatism as a goal is for cowards. Champions push the envelope of change.
AtomicKitten
Jan 2016
#65
The disdain BS supporters expressed was with specific reference to healthcare
AtomicKitten
Jan 2016
#156
The entire civil rights movement was based on a "piecemeal series of small steps"
Empowerer
Jan 2016
#38
Hmmm... sounds like a certain portion of DU circa 2008 regarding LGBT rights. n/t
demmiblue
Jan 2016
#31
Allowing Wall Street to control the Agenda is not pragmatic, it's submission. Fuck that shit!
JRLeft
Jan 2016
#24
Thank-you! How many are aware that JFK wanted to concentrate on the Cold War,
hedgehog
Jan 2016
#166
I'm not talking about what MLK SAID (in cherry-picked quotes). I'm talking about what he DID
Empowerer
Jan 2016
#69
The last time I engaged in a conversation with anyone who said "I dare ya," I was about 7 years old
Empowerer
Jan 2016
#96
"All or nothing, right effing now!" Wow, as a slogan of societal change it really sounds....
Hekate
Jan 2016
#66
We should enjoy the scatology directed at a hardworking lifelong Democrat and her supporters?
Hekate
Jan 2016
#73
Here's what I believe about money in US politics: once Citizens United was passed we were screwed...
Hekate
Jan 2016
#136
What is the goal of civil rights champions, but to bring in new leadership?
MrMickeysMom
Jan 2016
#72
Yes, it was a bold move by LBJ - but it was the result of DECADES of slow, gradual work by many
Empowerer
Jan 2016
#90
No, they didn't say that. But they also didn't say, "We will defeat segregation NOW"
Empowerer
Jan 2016
#171
Five recs and over a hundred responses. I'd guess this is what the poster had in mind.
libdem4life
Jan 2016
#106
Well that certainly clears things up. BTW...you provide little but argument.
libdem4life
Jan 2016
#116
That's what I'm learning to do...at some point it enters the Ridiculous Zone of Who Gives a Sht
libdem4life
Jan 2016
#121
I don't argue that we should certainly demand what we want...whether it be Single payer...
FrenchieCat
Jan 2016
#119
Before reading any of the comments, I must say, as a student of history ...
1StrongBlackMan
Jan 2016
#127
If that had been the Democratic strategy all these years, a lot of us could accept it
Armstead
Jan 2016
#133
So Democrats HAVEN'T been doing what you indicated? At least from the perspective of most Democrats
1StrongBlackMan
Feb 2016
#201
I read where people have latched onto the "No we can't" narrative; when ...
1StrongBlackMan
Feb 2016
#197
It's not surprising that the only aspects of the civil rights movement of which you seem to be aware
Empowerer
Jan 2016
#170
MLK's dream of civil is still being worked on. Yes, progress is incremental.
The Velveteen Ocelot
Jan 2016
#165
Interesting that many of the same folk who wrongly insist that our civil rights heroes never took
Empowerer
Jan 2016
#167
"Disdain for pragmatism" - Strawman much??? Bernie Sanders supporters dont
KingCharlemagne
Feb 2016
#178
The Civil Rights Act of 1964 was a bold, contreversial break with the half measures of 1957 and 1960
DemocraticWing
Feb 2016
#185
Pragmatism got us 100 years of status quo racism from the Civil War to Civil Rights.
Warren DeMontague
Feb 2016
#187
Yeah, but this thread isn't really so much about civil rights, is it? More about Hillary Clinton.
Warren DeMontague
Feb 2016
#206
I liked you better when you were posting authentic frontier gibberish from that reparations guy
tularetom
Feb 2016
#205
They're only "pragmatists" when it comes to racial justice. They're pragmatists when it comes to
Liberal_Stalwart71
Feb 2016
#207
And it's bullshit that you're implying that Bernie ever dissed the freedom movement.
Ken Burch
Feb 2016
#223
Didn't Thurgood Marshall have to be convinced to pursue what became Brown versus Board of Ed?
aikoaiko
Feb 2016
#226
No - that's not true. I'm not sure where you're getting your information, but that's wrong
Empowerer
Feb 2016
#227