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merrily

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37. Is yelling I feel your pain at an AIDS activist really an expression of empathy from a Presidential
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 04:26 AM
Feb 2016

candidate? Or is it only faux empathy? I think that is another way to ask the question of the OP. IMO, empathy is as empathy does; and this was only campaign empathy.

Elected, Clinton went on to create DADT and sign DOMA under a pretense of an impending Constitutional amendment that was not actually impending and trying to have it both ways. Hillary also went on to use the excuse of an impending
constitutional amendment that was not impending regarding her unconstitutional flag desecration bills.

Though his official political position was against same-sex marriage, Clinton criticized DOMA as "unnecessary and divisive",[26] while his press-secretary called it "gay baiting, plain and simple".[27][28] However, after Congress had passed the bill with enough votes to override a presidential veto,[28] Clinton signed DOMA. Many years later, he claimed that he did so reluctantly in view of the veto-proof majority, both to avoid associating himself politically with the then-unpopular cause of same-sex marriage, and to defuse momentum for a proposed Federal Amendment to the U.S. Constitution banning same-sex marriage.[28][29] Clinton, who was traveling when Congress acted, signed it into law promptly upon returning to Washington, D.C., on September 21, 1996; he refused to hold a signing ceremony for DOMA and did not allow photographs to be taken of him signing it into law.[30] The White House released a statement in which Clinton said "that the enactment of this legislation should not, despite the fierce and at times divisive rhetoric surrounding it, be understood to provide an excuse for discrimination, violence or intimidation against any person on the basis of sexual orientation".[30]

In 2013, Mike McCurry, the White House press secretary at the time, recalled that "[Clinton's] posture was quite frankly driven by the political realities of an election year in 1996."[28] James Hormel, who was appointed by Clinton as the first openly gay U.S. Ambassador, described the reaction from the gay community to Clinton signing DOMA as shock and anger.[31] On Hormel's account, Clinton had been the first President to advocate gay rights, push for AIDS funding, support gay and lesbian civil rights legislation, and appoint open LGBT people to his Administration. Thus his signing of DOMA was viewed by much of the community as a great betrayal.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_of_Marriage_Act

No. I could not imagine saying it non-sarcastically Sanity Claws Jan 2016 #1
Used by a friend it may mean something. Used by a politician it's a crock of shit platitude. CBGLuthier Jan 2016 #2
It usually means I understand. But if Bill is trying to tell jwirr Jan 2016 #3
Considering the source (the 1992 source that is), at best it's insincere tularetom Jan 2016 #4
It is a statement of empathy. Agnosticsherbet Jan 2016 #5
On the contrary SheenaR Feb 2016 #29
Is yelling I feel your pain at an AIDS activist really an expression of empathy from a Presidential merrily Feb 2016 #37
I only use it when I can relate it to mine own personal experience. SamKnause Jan 2016 #6
I know there are no words.. Fumesucker Jan 2016 #12
I agree with your point . TheFarS1de Feb 2016 #34
Mark of a good politician HassleCat Jan 2016 #7
How long will it be before Hillary says it? Fumesucker Jan 2016 #13
I don't think she will HassleCat Jan 2016 #15
I have never said it to anyone, but I don't find it offensive Glorfindel Jan 2016 #8
It's a sign of human empathy. Tho there are other tones of voice, I'm going with empathy... Hekate Jan 2016 #9
I'm personally convinced that universal health care would have saved my child Fumesucker Jan 2016 #11
As I already said, I go by personal history and other interactions. In your case... Hekate Feb 2016 #39
Most other times it is glib and insincere unless you have suffered the same thing. snagglepuss Jan 2016 #10
It's called having empathy. Beaverhausen Jan 2016 #14
Actually, that was sympathy and compassion loyalsister Feb 2016 #25
Context is everything. It can be cruel or empathetic Arazi Jan 2016 #16
Thank you.. Fumesucker Jan 2016 #17
It's better than saying that having to work 3 jobs is "fantastic" DefenseLawyer Feb 2016 #18
A high bar indeed Fumesucker Feb 2016 #19
THIS is your apology? NanceGreggs Feb 2016 #20
You might recall I apologized to you in the earlier thread, you continued to insult me Fumesucker Feb 2016 #22
That's not the point ... NanceGreggs Feb 2016 #23
I really didn't want to drag this all up again Fumesucker Feb 2016 #28
Fine. NanceGreggs Feb 2016 #31
Here is your hero proving your old opinion of her Fumesucker Feb 2016 #32
So you have no link ... NanceGreggs Feb 2016 #35
That is a response to said post. sheshe2 Feb 2016 #36
Fumesucker.... Hekate Feb 2016 #43
Maybe you shouldn't have started it, if you can't finish? Cary Feb 2016 #40
Nance... Hekate Feb 2016 #42
Thanks, Hekate. NanceGreggs Feb 2016 #44
If they would actually take my pain, that would be a nice thing. Live and Learn Feb 2016 #21
For the most part, I wouldn't trust anyone who said that. SMC22307 Feb 2016 #24
It depends aswanson Feb 2016 #26
Or experience Fumesucker Feb 2016 #33
I might say it over trivial matters. "My boss is such an asshole. He's making me work this weekend Ed Suspicious Feb 2016 #27
It would be offensive to me, jen63 Feb 2016 #30
Jury results. merrily Feb 2016 #38
I don't understand the obsession with personalities Cary Feb 2016 #41
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