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1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
198. Okay ...
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 11:26 AM
Feb 2016

I think we have a "We" problem.

NAFTA, TPP, MFN China, WTP agreements, etc


A majority of Democrats poll(ed) in favor of these trade deals.

Financial deregulation,


Dodd-Frank

Media Deregulation and otehr industry deregulations


I am not aware of Democrats saying they were pursuing industry deregulation.

Welfare Deform


30 years ago ... Anything more recent?

Suffice it to say, the rest was opposed by a small segment of the Democratic Party ... and many of those now so vocally objecting, were, proudly, not Democrats (or, used the label as a secondary, if not, tertiary political self descriptor).


Are you saying that "our civil rights champions" were surrender monkeys? 99Forever Jan 2016 #1
It's really a shame that people like you who are so quick to "stand with" the civil rights movement Empowerer Jan 2016 #12
I stood with the civil rights movement when it was happening, lady. 99Forever Jan 2016 #14
I ask again Empowerer Jan 2016 #16
Houston was a great man. DefenseLawyer Jan 2016 #36
You really don't get it, do you? Empowerer Jan 2016 #74
You read about it. 99Forever Jan 2016 #79
If you were really there, you weren't paying any attention - anyone who was really there AND paying Empowerer Jan 2016 #84
That's the dumbest thing I read all day. 99Forever Jan 2016 #88
Careful ... you could be seen as calling into question ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #151
:-) Empowerer Feb 2016 #181
Changing the healthcare system isn't a "movement" DefenseLawyer Jan 2016 #95
It's flamebait Arazi Jan 2016 #102
I read these for entertainment. Of no value...just like keeping up. No ignores for me. libdem4life Jan 2016 #105
I disagree..... FrenchieCat Jan 2016 #129
You've glossed over her responses to 99 Forever then Arazi Jan 2016 #132
There is no flames that I see from the OP..... FrenchieCat Jan 2016 #146
I have and firmly stand by my point eom Arazi Jan 2016 #149
Counselor. You are arguing facts not in evidence, and well beyond the present case ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #157
Except guns, right? DefenseLawyer Jan 2016 #161
I was going to jump in there; but, there is no need ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #139
You deserve an A for effort though I have no idea why you bother trying. Number23 Jan 2016 #143
Yes it was ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #158
The only civil rights victory that ever mattered Ken Burch Feb 2016 #214
You can't possibly be serious . . . Empowerer Feb 2016 #217
Imagine if you reduced and mangled history to a false talking point. JackRiddler Jan 2016 #2
I'd rather discuss candidates, speaking of equal rights yours adamantly opposed them: beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #3
so did yours and he is on tape too dsc Jan 2016 #25
He's on tape saying marriage is a "sacred" bond between a man and a woman? beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #28
No he simply says no to marriage equality because it is too divisive dsc Jan 2016 #33
So he never actually opposed marriage equality, thanks. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #35
Yes he did dsc Jan 2016 #41
He said Vermont wasn't ready for it "yet". beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #44
He opposed it period dsc Jan 2016 #50
Their positions weren't comparable. Period. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #54
where is your evidence she lobbied? dsc Jan 2016 #57
I already posted the video once but if you insist: beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #59
so they both did the same thing dsc Jan 2016 #63
No he didn't, when did he say marriage was "sacred" and only between a man and a woman? beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #64
No that is the essence of what he said dsc Jan 2016 #117
No, it isn't. I don't put words in Hillary's mouth because I don't have to. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #122
The only difference is zappaman Jan 2016 #97
That's only helpful if someone called for straw. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #108
... and reparations... Empowerer Feb 2016 #183
If MLK would listen to those like you Robbins Jan 2016 #4
The problem with comments like this is that it reveals a cramped and narrow understanding of the Empowerer Jan 2016 #17
More bizarro world bullshit. frylock Jan 2016 #5
Google "The greatest purveyor of violence in the world today." JackRiddler Jan 2016 #6
MLK was Very Sensible.. frylock Jan 2016 #9
and try googling "Poor People's March on Washington DC" 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #11
Your problem is that you think the civil rights movement consisted of marches Empowerer Jan 2016 #22
I appreciate your bringing up Charles Hamilton Houston, who apparently laid much legal groundwork 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #60
You don't see incrementalism in a 20-year effort to gradually dismantle the Separate but Equal Empowerer Jan 2016 #77
I can only imagine that fighting racial injustice from 1929 - 1950 would require 'incrementalism' 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #173
You're right but it wasn't just to avoid personal danger - there was a bigger strategy there Empowerer Jan 2016 #174
Thank you for your thoughtful & moving reply. 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #208
This post has touched me beyond words Empowerer Feb 2016 #211
The Pragmatists have had half a century... how much more fucking time do they need? SMC22307 Jan 2016 #153
I have a dream.... FrenchieCat Jan 2016 #142
Someday... next week? Next year? Next century? frylock Jan 2016 #150
50 years after the Civil Rights Movember, we still have racial discrimination in this country, FrenchieCat Jan 2016 #155
Hear! Hear! Skidmore Jan 2016 #169
Boom. nt sheshe2 Jan 2016 #175
Damn, Frenchie! You're good! Empowerer Feb 2016 #184
I'm glad to see heroes like John Lewis, Maxine Waters, etc., supporting Clinton. Hoyt Jan 2016 #7
They know you can't get what you want by wishful thinking. oasis Jan 2016 #21
Exactly. I like Sanders' dreams, but they are just that in today's environment. I'm for progress Hoyt Jan 2016 #23
Our civil rights champions were like the "no we can't" crowd? I don't think so. Vinca Jan 2016 #8
Pragmatism as a goal is for cowards. Champions push the envelope of change. AtomicKitten Jan 2016 #65
Your calling great civil rights leaders "cowards" is despicable Empowerer Jan 2016 #82
Could you wash your hands before putting words in my mouth? Thanks. AtomicKitten Jan 2016 #85
Pragmatism is not a goal.... FrenchieCat Jan 2016 #131
Not when she approaches issues with "NO WE CAN'T" AtomicKitten Jan 2016 #138
The Civil Rights Movement was due to years and years of hard work.... FrenchieCat Jan 2016 #152
The disdain BS supporters expressed was with specific reference to healthcare AtomicKitten Jan 2016 #156
Bernie Sanders supported civil rights movement and did Empowerer Jan 2016 #134
The Civil Rights Act DefenseLawyer Jan 2016 #10
It's not just factually untrue. JackRiddler Jan 2016 #13
It's flamebait imo, designed to rile and provoke with misinformation Arazi Jan 2016 #18
Are you serious? You think the Civil Rights Act was first proposed by JFK? Empowerer Jan 2016 #52
Whoosh Arazi Jan 2016 #67
Incorrect, and when a simple statement of fact becomes flamebait.... FrenchieCat Jan 2016 #125
Upthread she slammed anyone who tried to discuss Arazi Jan 2016 #128
that ignores a whole lot of incremental steps along the way dsc Jan 2016 #29
A lot of lawsuits at that. JRLeft Jan 2016 #39
The entire civil rights movement was based on a "piecemeal series of small steps" Empowerer Jan 2016 #38
Your cutting and pasting skills are laudable DefenseLawyer Jan 2016 #45
I believe the Civil Rights movement itself moved incredibly fast Arazi Jan 2016 #61
Again - you are showing your woeful ignorance about this Empowerer Jan 2016 #68
I think you are just purposely missing the point DefenseLawyer Jan 2016 #86
First of all, you have no idea what my "goal" is in this thread Empowerer Jan 2016 #94
This Civil Rights Act was a compromise. Empowerer Jan 2016 #51
Actually it was incremental mythology Jan 2016 #71
Agreed! FrenchieCat Jan 2016 #126
If you are an Attorney, you do know.... FrenchieCat Jan 2016 #135
Obviously no one said it wasn't DefenseLawyer Jan 2016 #147
What I hear when listening to Hillary Clinton is FrenchieCat Jan 2016 #159
Fair enough DefenseLawyer Jan 2016 #162
If you read Defense Lawyers post that's exactly what he said Arazi Jan 2016 #148
Disagreeing with Hillary does not equal distain Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #15
The current pragmatic centrist message to them would be... Armstead Jan 2016 #19
Hmmm... sounds like a certain portion of DU circa 2008 regarding LGBT rights. n/t demmiblue Jan 2016 #31
Yep. We all just wanted ponies, and besides, QC Jan 2016 #42
You think Rosa Parks was pragmatic that day on the bus? hobbit709 Jan 2016 #20
Or Alice Paul? demmiblue Jan 2016 #26
Funny you mentioned that. Yes, she was. Empowerer Jan 2016 #47
Thank you for setting it straight n/t JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #164
Allowing Wall Street to control the Agenda is not pragmatic, it's submission. Fuck that shit! JRLeft Jan 2016 #24
chuckle Vattel Jan 2016 #27
Gimme a break EdwardBernays Jan 2016 #30
Pragmatism is not the culprit radical noodle Feb 2016 #229
No. It wouldn't. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2016 #32
Imagine if in 1850 some fomer Abolitionist said Tom Rinaldo Jan 2016 #34
Thread win. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #37
Lincoln's position was that slavery should be contained but not abolished dsc Jan 2016 #43
Kind of illustrates the reason for never saying never n/t Tom Rinaldo Jan 2016 #46
+Infinity! - nt KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #177
Disdain for pragmatism? Ron Green Jan 2016 #40
I'm an adult. As such, I don't play Opposite Day. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #48
Let Wall Street win so Hillary can be president. JRLeft Jan 2016 #49
from Martin Luther King's "Letter From Birmingham Jail": JustinL Jan 2016 #53
Martin Luther King Jr. malletgirl02 Jan 2016 #83
I've never read that before and damn it retrowire Jan 2016 #98
Thank-you! How many are aware that JFK wanted to concentrate on the Cold War, hedgehog Jan 2016 #166
Right wing deals aren't 'pragmatism' AgingAmerican Jan 2016 #55
What was it that MLK said about waiting for justice? Stargleamer Jan 2016 #56
I'm not talking about what MLK SAID (in cherry-picked quotes). I'm talking about what he DID Empowerer Jan 2016 #69
If he were here today RobertEarl Jan 2016 #75
Oh, Good Lord - please spare us the "If Dr. King were here, he'd . . ." Empowerer Jan 2016 #87
I grew up studying King RobertEarl Jan 2016 #92
The last time I engaged in a conversation with anyone who said "I dare ya," I was about 7 years old Empowerer Jan 2016 #96
Excellent harumph post! yaaaay lol nt retrowire Jan 2016 #99
Because you can't do it RobertEarl Jan 2016 #100
but what he SAID was a defense of what he DID JustinL Jan 2016 #109
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jan 2016 #58
You mean Rosa Parks should have stayed at the back of the bus. Gregorian Jan 2016 #62
Rosa parks had a long history in the movement before that moment JI7 Jan 2016 #130
"All or nothing, right effing now!" Wow, as a slogan of societal change it really sounds.... Hekate Jan 2016 #66
We should enjoy the shit sandwich Hillary intends to feed us? JRLeft Jan 2016 #70
We should enjoy the scatology directed at a hardworking lifelong Democrat and her supporters? Hekate Jan 2016 #73
She's bought and paid for by Wall Street I cannot celebrate corruption. JRLeft Jan 2016 #113
You go on believing that if it makes you happy Hekate Jan 2016 #115
You believe none of that money will have an impact on her decision making? JRLeft Jan 2016 #118
Here's what I believe about money in US politics: once Citizens United was passed we were screwed... Hekate Jan 2016 #136
Respect! JRLeft Jan 2016 #141
or "Freedom Now" JustinL Jan 2016 #104
"We Shall Overcome Someday" Empowerer Jan 2016 #107
Following your analogy, where are we in the "health care movement"? DefenseLawyer Jan 2016 #154
What is the goal of civil rights champions, but to bring in new leadership? MrMickeysMom Jan 2016 #72
Yup, we can't afford pragmatic incrementalism for climate change Arazi Jan 2016 #78
Civil Rights Act malletgirl02 Jan 2016 #76
Yes, it was a bold move by LBJ - but it was the result of DECADES of slow, gradual work by many Empowerer Jan 2016 #90
"I don't have a dream," said MLK, never. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2016 #80
Dr. King wasn't the civil rights movement, either. Empowerer Jan 2016 #91
Dr. King was a dreamer and a doer.../nt DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #81
Yes, to both. lovemydog Feb 2016 #189
Imagine if civil rights champions rejected idealism in favor of pragmatism loyalsister Jan 2016 #89
What a pile of BS. BillZBubb Jan 2016 #93
No, they didn't say that. But they also didn't say, "We will defeat segregation NOW" Empowerer Jan 2016 #171
Huh? You mean that getting your skull crushed by Police and red-necks Ferd Berfel Jan 2016 #101
Actually it was very pragmatic Empowerer Jan 2016 #103
Five recs and over a hundred responses. I'd guess this is what the poster had in mind. libdem4life Jan 2016 #106
Maybe they actually learned a few things, have faith. :) beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #111
I couldn't get past the first argument. Ugh. That's when I looked. libdem4life Jan 2016 #114
Since I don't post to get pats on the back but to foster discussion Empowerer Jan 2016 #112
Well that certainly clears things up. BTW...you provide little but argument. libdem4life Jan 2016 #116
Yup just denigrates anyone who tries to discuss Arazi Jan 2016 #120
That's what I'm learning to do...at some point it enters the Ridiculous Zone of Who Gives a Sht libdem4life Jan 2016 #121
I'm enjoying your steady stream of OP fails. SMC22307 Jan 2016 #110
Snark does not a conversation make. FrenchieCat Jan 2016 #124
Thanks for your concern. (n/t) SMC22307 Jan 2016 #145
I don't argue that we should certainly demand what we want...whether it be Single payer... FrenchieCat Jan 2016 #119
Bernie is way more pragmatic than you think jfern Jan 2016 #123
Before reading any of the comments, I must say, as a student of history ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #127
If that had been the Democratic strategy all these years, a lot of us could accept it Armstead Jan 2016 #133
Perhaps an example or two of Democrats ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #194
Okay for starters Armstead Feb 2016 #196
Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #198
...Dokey Armstead Feb 2016 #200
So Democrats HAVEN'T been doing what you indicated? At least from the perspective of most Democrats 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #201
It's not necessarily a narrow segment Armstead Feb 2016 #203
One step at a time is true RobertEarl Jan 2016 #137
I read where people have latched onto the "No we can't" narrative; when ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #197
"doing what is POSSIBLE, while pressing for more, is the winning strategy" hedgehog Jan 2016 #168
LOLWUT? TheSarcastinator Jan 2016 #140
It's not surprising that the only aspects of the civil rights movement of which you seem to be aware Empowerer Jan 2016 #170
I agree with your analysis Gothmog Jan 2016 #144
there were also those who said DonCoquixote Jan 2016 #160
Another wellpresented argument, that in no way conflicts the OP ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #163
MLK's dream of civil is still being worked on. Yes, progress is incremental. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2016 #165
Interesting that many of the same folk who wrongly insist that our civil rights heroes never took Empowerer Jan 2016 #167
Um- Clinton has declared that single payer will never happen. Warren Stupidity Jan 2016 #172
+Infinity! - nt KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #182
Thank you for this OP mcar Jan 2016 #176
I'm glad. Empowerer Feb 2016 #179
"Disdain for pragmatism" - Strawman much??? Bernie Sanders supporters dont KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #178
Unfortunately VulgarPoet Feb 2016 #199
Most progressives Jamaal510 Feb 2016 #180
+1 lovemydog Feb 2016 #188
The Civil Rights Act of 1964 was a bold, contreversial break with the half measures of 1957 and 1960 DemocraticWing Feb 2016 #185
Your point is well-taken. I think pragmatism and idealism lovemydog Feb 2016 #186
Pragmatism got us 100 years of status quo racism from the Civil War to Civil Rights. Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #187
A shame you weren't around to advise them how to do it right . . . Empowerer Feb 2016 #190
That's right. Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #191
You think that blacks were "patient" all that time? Empowerer Feb 2016 #193
Yeah, but this thread isn't really so much about civil rights, is it? More about Hillary Clinton. Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #206
It wouldn't have taken so long . You know, mmonk Feb 2016 #192
I don't buy you whatchamacallit Feb 2016 #195
Hillary is not the pragmatic choice in this primary. merrily Feb 2016 #202
Fucking Orwellian Bullshit. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2016 #204
I liked you better when you were posting authentic frontier gibberish from that reparations guy tularetom Feb 2016 #205
They're only "pragmatists" when it comes to racial justice. They're pragmatists when it comes to Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #207
How did I miss this thread from yesterday? Great point! Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #209
Imagine if they didn't march at all kenfrequed Feb 2016 #210
Why would anyone imagine that? Empowerer Feb 2016 #220
Many seem to misunderstand the difference wildeyed Feb 2016 #212
This is great and interesting information - thanks! Empowerer Feb 2016 #221
The Selma Bus Boycott wildeyed Feb 2016 #224
Yes - Bayard Rustin was an absolutely amazing man Empowerer Feb 2016 #225
Yes, his sexual orientation and wasn't he also a wildeyed Feb 2016 #228
There were no major civil rights victories that ever required Ken Burch Feb 2016 #213
Every civil rights victory was the result of compromise Empowerer Feb 2016 #215
Nothing prior to the 1964 act was ever a victory for civil rights. Ken Burch Feb 2016 #216
I guess you're not joking Empowerer Feb 2016 #218
I'm serious. Ken Burch Feb 2016 #219
Whatever ... Empowerer Feb 2016 #222
And it's bullshit that you're implying that Bernie ever dissed the freedom movement. Ken Burch Feb 2016 #223
Didn't Thurgood Marshall have to be convinced to pursue what became Brown versus Board of Ed? aikoaiko Feb 2016 #226
No - that's not true. I'm not sure where you're getting your information, but that's wrong Empowerer Feb 2016 #227
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