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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Imagine Ron Paul had lost Iowa by a half dozen coin tosses [View all]pnwmom
(108,955 posts)10. The 6 coin tosses did not change the overall outcome. They were associated with "county delegates"
not "state delegates."
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2016/02/02/sometimes-iowa-democrats-award-caucus-delegates-coin-flip/79680342/
It happened in precinct 2-4 in Ames, where supporters of candidates Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton disputed the results after 60 caucus participants apparently disappeared from the proceedings.
As a result of the coin toss, Clinton was awarded an additional delegate, meaning she took five of the precincts eight, while Sanders received three.
Similar situations played out at various precincts across the state, but had an extremely small effect on the overall outcome, in which Clinton won 49.9 percent of statewide delegate equivalents, while Sanders won 49.5 percent. The delegates that were decided by coin flips were delegates to the party's county conventions, of which there are thousands selected across the state from 1,681 separate precincts. They were not the statewide delegate equivalents that are reported in the final results.
The statewide delegate equivalents that determine the outcome on caucus night are derived from the county-level delegates, but are aggregated across the state and weighted in a manner that makes individual county delegate selections at a handful of precincts count for a tiny fraction of the ultimate result.
As a result of the coin toss, Clinton was awarded an additional delegate, meaning she took five of the precincts eight, while Sanders received three.
Similar situations played out at various precincts across the state, but had an extremely small effect on the overall outcome, in which Clinton won 49.9 percent of statewide delegate equivalents, while Sanders won 49.5 percent. The delegates that were decided by coin flips were delegates to the party's county conventions, of which there are thousands selected across the state from 1,681 separate precincts. They were not the statewide delegate equivalents that are reported in the final results.
The statewide delegate equivalents that determine the outcome on caucus night are derived from the county-level delegates, but are aggregated across the state and weighted in a manner that makes individual county delegate selections at a handful of precincts count for a tiny fraction of the ultimate result.
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Aha, yet another misinformed Bernie fan. You are aware that the delegates assigned
DanTex
Feb 2016
#7
Bernie did too. But however the coin tosses turned out, Hillary would have still won.
DanTex
Feb 2016
#22
Those were county delegates, not the state delegates that determined the outcome.
pnwmom
Feb 2016
#11
The 6 coin tosses did not change the overall outcome. They were associated with "county delegates"
pnwmom
Feb 2016
#10
Hillary didn't win by coin toss. The information is now all over GD/P, including a post by Skinner
alcibiades_mystery
Feb 2016
#15
Hillary Clinton won an extremely close race. Everything else is commentary.
DemocratSinceBirth
Feb 2016
#19