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17. Lawrence O'Donnell said this evening we might not know who actually won Iowa until June
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 12:57 AM
Feb 2016

I believe that might be true. Yesterday, it was said today we would start finding errors and mistakes in last night's Iowa total, narrow as it was, and there could be corrections. With Sanders calling for the raw data of the vote, it will be interesting to see what comes out in the wash. We have already observed glimmers.

I have become hardened to public comments insulting the left wing of the Democratic party. The only words that really stick with me are those that came from a Republican, no less:

It is confidence in the men and women who administer the judicial system that is the true backbone of the rule of law. Time will one day heal the wound to that confidence that will be inflicted by today's decision. One thing, however, is certain. Although we may never know with complete certainty the identity of the winner of this year's Presidential election, the identity of the loser is perfectly clear. It is the Nation's confidence in the judge as an impartial guardian of the rule of law."

former Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens' dissent opinion in Bush v. Gore, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Paul_Stevens

It is long past time the American people should have confidence in both its government and its elections. For that reason, among others, I am supporting Bernie Sanders for President because I truly believe he can drive this Country to a place where we should have been all along -- in a government which works for all of the people, not just the corporations and super wealthy.

Great thread, madfloridian. Just wanted to add a few additional thoughts for contemplation.


Even Trump was more gracious. Hiraeth Feb 2016 #1
Yes, he was, surprisingly. madfloridian Feb 2016 #2
Didn't think of it at the time but that's true. Jarqui Feb 2016 #3
I just saw Trevor Noah make that point. Yikes. It's true. TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #6
Trevor Noah has established himself as a distinctive and truthful voice in a very short time. Ken Burch Feb 2016 #145
Yep--I've become a fairly regular viewer. TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #149
Will need to watch his show. madfloridian Feb 2016 #183
It's true. senz Feb 2016 #15
She has no humility. She is not humble. She is not salt of the earth. She approaches this as if Hiraeth Feb 2016 #16
It was the same in 2008, as grotesque then as now. senz Feb 2016 #46
She has the common touch of Marie Antoinette hifiguy Feb 2016 #156
I don't think she believes that or has said that but Skidmore Feb 2016 #157
I was looking at footage of her somewhere a few days ago when she was First Lady sabrina 1 Feb 2016 #47
Meh. I think he's just more skilled as a politician. merrily Feb 2016 #49
I gave her the benefit of the doubt for a long time. senz Feb 2016 #54
I just wait for someone to post exactly my thoughts then say +1. Enthusiast Feb 2016 #72
It is sad. senz Feb 2016 #137
+1,000 Pretty much the way I am seeing it also. Bohunk68 Feb 2016 #82
When the righties attacked Hillary for saying, "It takes a village." I would see red. Enthusiast Feb 2016 #164
I honestly think she has an anti-social personality disorder dorkzilla Feb 2016 #75
I'm not a big fan of Hillary, but this is preposterous. BillZBubb Feb 2016 #112
Your disgust is duly noted dorkzilla Feb 2016 #124
... senz Feb 2016 #142
:) dorkzilla Feb 2016 #144
I truly hope you have your head buried in the sand..... pocoloco Feb 2016 #134
LOL --- "Armchair psychologists are always wrong." pablo_marmol Feb 2016 #176
I've had to do quite a bit of research into these things senz Feb 2016 #141
I agree, that’s why I said “personality disorder” in general dorkzilla Feb 2016 #143
another survivor of marriage to NPD here grasswire Feb 2016 #172
That's wrong on so many levels. one_voice Feb 2016 #152
Perhaps. dorkzilla Feb 2016 #155
Really? This is how we win an election? Hekate Feb 2016 #160
I’m not doing anything of the sort dorkzilla Feb 2016 #161
I think people who seek out power and money to the extent Hillary has done, are sabrina 1 Feb 2016 #180
Agreed on all points! nt dorkzilla Feb 2016 #182
Her abused childhood has cast a long, wide and lethal shadow Divernan Feb 2016 #63
Thank you for posting that. If she were private individual I could have compassion for her. Hiraeth Feb 2016 #74
HRC's dad ran as "Democratic leaning independent" & lost. Divernan Feb 2016 #76
two things: (edited) Hiraeth Feb 2016 #81
Thanks Divernan. You put together a lot of information. It's sad and alarming. senz Feb 2016 #151
well, there it is grasswire Feb 2016 #173
He looked terrible arikara Feb 2016 #133
Yes he was. 840high Feb 2016 #21
Indeed he was. Never would I have thought that Trump's campaign was more mature.... George II Feb 2016 #30
Congratulations, you have just crossed over from irritating to irrelevant. Hiraeth Feb 2016 #68
My goodness you are a tolerant person beyond my wildest expectations. A Simple Game Feb 2016 #95
I can understand. and You are right, I am probably too tolerant. Hiraeth Feb 2016 #97
No, don't change I was being hyperbolic, you're fine the way you are. A Simple Game Feb 2016 #104
Ah, thanks Hiraeth Feb 2016 #107
What is telling is that the Oligarchy will do anything to win. We have seen it all before. rhett o rick Feb 2016 #101
"What is telling is that the Oligarchy will do anything to win" And how is that the case.... George II Feb 2016 #109
We are faced with an opponent that has unlimited resources and is not used to losing. rhett o rick Feb 2016 #115
Hillary's loud trumpeting of her "win" lacked maturity. madfloridian Feb 2016 #150
Well, here is her statement from Monday night: George II Feb 2016 #153
True, but he was also a clear second jberryhill Feb 2016 #126
Honestly, that question makes me wonder what would Hillary have acted like if she Hiraeth Feb 2016 #131
Don't worry she'll say nice things humbled_opinion Feb 2016 #178
is that a promise or a threat? Hiraeth Feb 2016 #179
One small correction to your wonderful article. SandersDem Feb 2016 #4
I just saw that! I got that email around 1 am last night...donated then. madfloridian Feb 2016 #10
Sweeeeeet!! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2016 #108
Another great OP from you. Thanks! kath Feb 2016 #5
Thanks for the kind words. madfloridian Feb 2016 #168
great post G_j Feb 2016 #7
How very unreasonable of you to actually expect the Democrats to stand for something besides guillaumeb Feb 2016 #8
Oh but of course as soon as we bring up her voting record to prove it VulgarPoet Feb 2016 #77
I believe in evolution. guillaumeb Feb 2016 #116
KnR for visibility. nt tblue37 Feb 2016 #9
Kick ReasonableToo Feb 2016 #11
Kick !! FloriTexan Feb 2016 #12
Recommend. nt Zorra Feb 2016 #13
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #14
Lawrence O'Donnell said this evening we might not know who actually won Iowa until June Samantha Feb 2016 #17
Didn't the Iowa Dem party refuse to provide the raw data? madfloridian Feb 2016 #20
madfloridian: see the article in Latest Breakings News entitled something like: Samantha Feb 2016 #33
Thanks, I missed that. She just said no. Yes, it's unbelievable. madfloridian Feb 2016 #34
They are treating his supporters as outsiders, too. senz Feb 2016 #56
Given her obvious affiliation with the Clinton campaign, it's surprising she wouldn't winter is coming Feb 2016 #39
Winning is more important to them than appearing fair. DWS has done nothing fair and doesn't rhett o rick Feb 2016 #100
Could he have grounds to sue, then? Liberty Belle Feb 2016 #53
I don't really think so Samantha Feb 2016 #138
I haven't gotten over it either. senz Feb 2016 #48
Honestly, they do not have it all yet Bettie Feb 2016 #111
A lot of states have automatic recounts for differences less than 0.5% or so, iirc. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #79
States have to have their election law rules clearly defined in the State Constitution Samantha Feb 2016 #139
I have so gotten over being a democrat. I was shocked at how easy it was, I told my Autumn Feb 2016 #18
I only came back to being a Democrat so I can vote for Bernie in the primary. Fuddnik Feb 2016 #37
Bernie's the only reason I re registered as one. After I caucus here in CO I'm out again. Autumn Feb 2016 #38
My wife and I ran into the same Mbrow Feb 2016 #73
The Winslow? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #80
I brought it with. Mbrow Feb 2016 #85
She endorsed a republican opponent? arikara Feb 2016 #135
I left the party 20 or 25 years ago and just came back to vote for Bernie in the primary. A Simple Game Feb 2016 #102
"The trick is to harness their energy & money w/out looking like you're captive to the activis left" 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #19
I get why the politicians and bankers want to be centrist. cui bono Feb 2016 #22
I began to realize that a youth revolution was about to happen... Peace Patriot Feb 2016 #64
Be glad nobody is calling Martin O'Malley a "spoiler" like Nader. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2016 #23
Ironically, in Iowa... malthaussen Feb 2016 #114
agreed jham123 Feb 2016 #127
once again, thanks for a great piece mad. k and r! bbgrunt Feb 2016 #24
DLC/Third Way kept identity politics while opening the door to economic predators. senz Feb 2016 #25
Your first sentence is purest gold. hifiguy Feb 2016 #158
Thanks, hifiguy. senz Feb 2016 #162
not much left to say, except K&R mountain grammy Feb 2016 #26
Bernie/we must be scaring the bejeezus out of the corporations/billionaire class. AtomicKitten Feb 2016 #27
Personally i could give a rats ass what the hell they think nolabels Feb 2016 #62
Just like the party of Lincoln hasn't resembled itself in decades, 3rd Way DLCs turned their backs.. MrMickeysMom Feb 2016 #28
I think he decided to come in from the cold. hedda_foil Feb 2016 #40
K&R Armstead Feb 2016 #29
Excellent post...!! PoiBoy Feb 2016 #31
Excellent post as always, MadFlo. Blue_In_AK Feb 2016 #32
K&R Paka Feb 2016 #35
"you did your job"- EXACTLY. And we all remember what happened next, right? Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #36
Yep, they just kept preaching "bipartisanship." madfloridian Feb 2016 #44
why, it was almost like some of them were uncomfortable without a divided congress as an excuse NOT Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #58
THANKS For This Great POST... Kicking To get Back To It! n/t ChiciB1 Feb 2016 #41
I love you. Luminous Animal Feb 2016 #42
Back at you... madfloridian Feb 2016 #43
When you're right, you're right! zentrum Feb 2016 #45
Thank you Jack Rabbit Feb 2016 #50
I think Jon Cowan started the Bernie wants fantasy stuff meme. madfloridian Feb 2016 #184
Now, Bernie has a (D) after his name, not an (I). merrily Feb 2016 #51
Excellent post. You smashed it! Nt. Juicy_Bellows Feb 2016 #52
Ooops! Correction: Tim Kaine did not become DNC chair until 2009. madfloridian Feb 2016 #55
Dean did a great job when he was head of the DNC. Unfortunately, Dean has now sold out! Dustlawyer Feb 2016 #86
Still, at one time the Chairperson was elected. Ligyron Feb 2016 #90
Nailed it! Thanks for the post Dretownblues Feb 2016 #57
kick californiabernin Feb 2016 #59
As usual, you've written a really good post. Thanks, madfloridian. nt DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2016 #60
K&R. I have said many times that I will vote for every Democrat JDPriestly Feb 2016 #61
AYUP. Or as we used to say in the Navy: Fucking "A" ditty bag. Bohunk68 Feb 2016 #83
Spot on. There are people who want to care for the least among us. raouldukelives Feb 2016 #65
Hopefully we'll be finished rebuilding the party from the ground up before President Cruz's 2nd term corkhead Feb 2016 #66
K&R grntuscarora Feb 2016 #67
Another great post! Mbrow Feb 2016 #69
Rec to the moon! SusanCalvin Feb 2016 #70
Kicked and recommended! Brilliant! Thank you, madfloridian! Enthusiast Feb 2016 #71
I've been hearing the 'cult' and 'cult leader' accusations Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #78
There is only one woman?! Bet they're all pigment challenged, too. DamnYankeeInHouston Feb 2016 #84
Enthusiastic K&R eom Tom Rinaldo Feb 2016 #87
Afraid to lose their 6 and 7 figure salaries and their inheritor class wealth to their lessers. Festivito Feb 2016 #88
Excellent post once again democrank Feb 2016 #89
Clinton won. Bernie lost. Nitram Feb 2016 #91
do you cut & paste your response to every post?...because it appears your reply islandmkl Feb 2016 #92
Island, your failed attempt at snark is pathetic. The OP wrote... Nitram Feb 2016 #96
well...i have been smacked back...however, you seem to be overly paranoid to think I 'accused' you.. islandmkl Feb 2016 #117
Much as I appreciate your concern for my ability to "absorb its main thrust"... Nitram Feb 2016 #120
Clinton won 2 more national delegates than Sanders. The big winner was the People that rhett o rick Feb 2016 #106
It is Iowa colsohlibgal Feb 2016 #93
Excellent post as usual Mad. Ligyron Feb 2016 #94
Great post and info nyabingi Feb 2016 #98
Great Post - I have been registered as a Democrat Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #99
Great post, thanks. We must get enough votes to overcome the margin of manipulation. rhett o rick Feb 2016 #103
Spot on, as always! Punkingal Feb 2016 #105
As a matter of fact, what you say here isn't true: George II Feb 2016 #110
What happens if Bernie gets the nom., will the Dem party SammyWinstonJack Feb 2016 #113
They will support him for the most part. BillZBubb Feb 2016 #119
The left really doesn't have a home in the Democratic party any more. BillZBubb Feb 2016 #118
Here Here! RoccoR5955 Feb 2016 #121
I'll feel more comfortable when Mr Sanders picks up a few more marginalized demos. malthaussen Feb 2016 #122
Third Way is accepting of corporate money and by extension has protected them, not Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #123
"The trick will be to harness their energy and their money without looking like you are a captive of yodermon Feb 2016 #125
That really got to me badly. madfloridian Feb 2016 #165
That's always the thing, though. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #177
Love your first paragraph! staggerleem Feb 2016 #128
Despite her smarts there's more than a hint of Dunning-Kroeger about HRC GoneOffShore Feb 2016 #129
same for local politics and Dem town committees wordpix Feb 2016 #130
They have been interfering in FL politics for ages now. madfloridian Feb 2016 #132
Sorry that was your experience. The entire political system is designed to truedelphi Feb 2016 #166
K/R UglyGreed Feb 2016 #136
That turd way board of trustees list is all I need to know. Ivan Kaputski Feb 2016 #140
ba-a-a-a-a-a! Jean Genie Feb 2016 #146
K&R stage left Feb 2016 #147
If that cabal of Investment Bankers are DEMOCRATS then the Party is over. Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #148
Wm Greider says trouble started when party abandoned the working class. He's so right. madfloridian Feb 2016 #154
Great post. You've knocked it out of the park. snagglepuss Feb 2016 #159
The saddest name on that list is Thurgood Marshall, Jr. hifiguy Feb 2016 #163
Always a K&R for you! blackspade Feb 2016 #167
the "Hillary DU Group" probably is the best hope for the Right. :( PatrynXX Feb 2016 #169
Since the racism, sexism stuff is being pushed by Hillary surrogates...they must not need my vote. madfloridian Feb 2016 #170
very good OP Angry Dragon Feb 2016 #171
^ Wilms Feb 2016 #174
DURec # 386. bvar22 Feb 2016 #175
When bvar22 says nice things to me.... madfloridian Feb 2016 #181
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